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I am mostly astonished by how many vegetarians have popped up in the physical sciences forum. Not only is medicine only vaguely a "physical science" (speaking as a physicist -- no intentions to offend!) I have this sneaking suspicion that some of these posters would never visit this forum if it weren't for this particular subject. Of course, I could very well be wrong, but I've certainly never met more than one or two vegetarians who LIKED science much less who would spend time in a forum like this!

That said, I'm CERTAINLY glad you're here! I'm always a big fan of physcal sciences and anybody interested for whatever reason. I do get worried that people go after little issues rather than big ones simply because the little problems are easier to change -- however, I don't want to detract from the need for compassion in animal testing.
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Oh, and free range chicken tastes much better (to go further off topic) but I find it's rarely sold in the states. I will always gladly pay double or more for the equivilant of "organic" chicken that not only is healthier, but is MUCH tastier! We always get it at home in Canada though, so I'm not to deprived of the delicacy!
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I originally put this thread in the friendship forum but it got moved
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Originally Posted by mandapanda445
i'm vegetarian, so you can imagine my stance. i think it is one of the cruelest things on the world. people think that because the animal cant talk, it means they have dominion over them. It should be made illegal, in a perfect world.

Have you read George Orwell's 'Animal Farm'? If you like animals, then you'll enjoy Orwell's novel even more because it kinda humorises animals by giving different animals a particular character from history. Its great satire anyway.
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I haven't read it but i'll try and get hold of it @ the library.
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That is quite a wonderful book, though don't expect it to be about animals (though the main characters are technically animals). It's a great social commentary though...
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Originally Posted by anniexxxx000
What does every 1 think here of Animal Experimentation. Also known as vivisection, which literally means cutting whilst still alive.

I think it is an abomination and should be made illegal by the government.
The suffering the animals must go through and when they're half alive to be thrown out in black sacks is disgusting.
Im not only against cosmetic testing, im against medical research 2. Their r many more methods that dont use animal testing and their much more reliable 2.

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Some info for you:

I work in and out of the biomed and veterinary fields, I was actually in one of Novartis' vivariums this morning. (Well, looking through the glass, I would have had to showered with disinfectant and put on scrubs to go in).

Any time animals are used in legitimate science the researchers must prove that their use is justified, and there is no possible way to do their research without the use of animals. They also have to prove that the animals will not be treated inhumanely. If they don't follow procedure this way, and "outlaw" it, they run the not insubstatial risk that A) Their results will never be published and B) They'll be prosecuted for not following OSHA standards, amoung other. Not worth the risk.

More practically though, the strains of animals they use for experiments have to be extremely closely controlled. You pay A LOT to obtain strains specific to whatever arrays you need to preform.

You don't just randomly sacrafice a mouse that cost you $45,000.
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Thanx every 1 4 posting. Although, is there ne 1 here who absoloutely h8's animal experimentation - cosmetic and medical?
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Originally Posted by anniexxxx000
Thanx every 1 4 posting. Although, is there ne 1 here who absoloutely h8's animal experimentation - cosmetic and medical?
I think animal testing in the cosmetic industry is unnecessary and ridiculous.

Animal testing in medicine benifits humans and animals. There are some things you simply can't do without animal testing. As long as those things are justified, I don't have a problem with them.
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Originally Posted by anniexxxx000
Thanx every 1 4 posting. Although, is there ne 1 here who absoloutely h8's animal experimentation - cosmetic and medical?
I can say I am. People in school got really mad at me when my teacher asked some question about if they could find a cure for something major, I don't remember exactly what but I said no. No medicine for me. We are NOT the same.

Here's something I was reading:
http://www.sumeria.net/health/prism.html
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