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what do pentecostals believe about mental illnesses

What does pentecostals believe about mental illnesses? Like, do you believe that a person can't be healed of depression because it is up to the person to think about the good things. God don't heal depression because it isn't an illness. The person just thinks too much of their past is the reason and it is a sin to be depressed. Depression is de-pressing or not pressing forward. A person wouldn't have a mental illness if they truly trusted God. DID is just demons not alters. I go to a Church of God church and the pastor has different views about depression and mental illnesses and I have trouble accepting this. I get depressed but I didn't give up on God, though. I've been in other pentecostal churches that had similar ideas about mental illnesses. I sometimes cut but it was like to atone for something. I picked that up in a pentecostal church that didn't really believe much in grace, but I felt that God was always mad at me for not keeping the church rules well enough. Anybody want to comment about what pentecostals believe and is this belief all that different from other pentecostals?
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Well speaking for my faith, Assembly of God, they believe God can cure/heal anything. No matter if "depression" is just a state of mind (if one tends to believe that), why wouldn't a prayer to God cure a negative state of mind? An AoG member would sooner suggest that you pray for mental healing/healing of depression than to suggest you take medication for such a condition.
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I must say God can do anything ( no limits). But God can use anything also. For He is God. I have always found that rules are pretty dumb. ( don't eat, don't touch etc.) But asking God for favor is very smart. " You have not because you ask not. And when you do ask, you ask a miss." Coming into God blessing is not a miss. Go and seek His understanding in these matter and He will show and teach you the path He has for you in these things. Sometimes the deeper pain is what He is after so that one can be totally free.
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I'm sorry if I offend ANYONE, but I think that thinking God cannot heal depression is extremely closed minded. God can free you from anything, many times we can not get out of it ourselves. An example of this is people being healed of things like depression, and addictions, etc.
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I picked that up in a pentecostal church that didn't really believe much in grace, but I felt that God was always mad at me for not keeping the church rules well enough.
God is not mad at you!! That is a lie from the enemy, God loves you no matter what!! And he can and will heal you from depression. There is NOTHING God can not do! HE LOVES YOU NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A good book to read is by Joyce Meyer and its called 'Battle Fields of the Mind' it is a great book!

Remember you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, then you are a Child of God. And He loves you more than you know and is not mad at you for not following some church rules (that are probably man made rules rather than God made, depends what you are talking about though).

If you are talking about sinning, then the depression may be coming as a result from that, because if you open the door through sin to the enemy than it can allow other things in eg. depression.

If this is the case, God STILL loves you and can help you from sin and depression and NOTHING will stop His love for you.

On the cross Jesus over came everything and that includes depression so He has already won it for you, you just need accept that.

Be praying for you
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I think I might vaguely understand what was meant in a way about God not healing depression. In my case, I was down about not getting enough hours at work and I was down. But down deep though, I have had stuff happen to me all my life, abuse, violence, false teachings that left me with several mental illnesses. God wasn't going to just suddenly make stuff disappear and stuff. I've had stuff all my life, I wouldn't know how to be "normal". I don't know how to just trust him. So, making depression just disappear wouldn't help. What I really needed for God to heal me over time by my talking to him and having a close personal relationship with him and learning to trust him. It is in talking to God and his talking to me and keeping me in his hands that will in a continuing way, heal my heart.
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Originally Posted by Debbi
What does pentecostals believe about mental illnesses? Like, do you believe that a person can't be healed of depression because it is up to the person to think about the good things. God don't heal depression because it isn't an illness. The person just thinks too much of their past is the reason and it is a sin to be depressed. Depression is de-pressing or not pressing forward. A person wouldn't have a mental illness if they truly trusted God. DID is just demons not alters. I go to a Church of God church and the pastor has different views about depression and mental illnesses and I have trouble accepting this. I get depressed but I didn't give up on God, though. I've been in other pentecostal churches that had similar ideas about mental illnesses. I sometimes cut but it was like to atone for something. I picked that up in a pentecostal church that didn't really believe much in grace, but I felt that God was always mad at me for not keeping the church rules well enough. Anybody want to comment about what pentecostals believe and is this belief all that different from other pentecostals?
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Sometimes mental illness is caused by chemical imbalance in the brain, as is depression, sometimes.
I believe that God can heal anything, but consider Nebuchadnessar, in the book of Daniel. He was inflicted with a mental illness until he was ready to acknowledge God as the most high God.
Some rules need to be in place, but more as guidelines to keep all members safe. No person can keep all God's rules all the time, not even the pastor.
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Is there a medicine for mental sickness?

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Originally Posted by Debbi
What does pentecostals believe about mental illnesses? Like, do you believe that a person can't be healed of depression because it is up to the person to think about the good things. God don't heal depression because it isn't an illness. The person just thinks too much of their past is the reason and it is a sin to be depressed. Depression is de-pressing or not pressing forward. A person wouldn't have a mental illness if they truly trusted God. DID is just demons not alters. I go to a Church of God church and the pastor has different views about depression and mental illnesses and I have trouble accepting this. I get depressed but I didn't give up on God, though. I've been in other pentecostal churches that had similar ideas about mental illnesses. I sometimes cut but it was like to atone for something. I picked that up in a pentecostal church that didn't really believe much in grace, but I felt that God was always mad at me for not keeping the church rules well enough. Anybody want to comment about what pentecostals believe and is this belief all that different from other pentecostals?
I'm bipolar. This last summer was just about the most rotten summer I've ever had, and one of the reasons was a bout of mania that included me thinking God had told me to stop taking my meds and that I was cured. <Actually standard manic thinking, believe it or not.> I spent the summer in and out of mental hospitals because of this thinking, and because the crash of stopping meds made me s**c*dally depressed, and oh it was a mess.

I decided something during all this. I decided God made us smart enough to create doctors and meds for a reason. He made us able to to help ourselves through modern medicine for a reason. I've NEVER had a clearer mind. I've never been able to sleep like I can now. I've NEVER been able to work like I do, concentrate like I can, etc. I can do it because God created people who can make medicines. It's made me so thankful for modern medicine I now want to go into pharmacology.

Yes, prayer helped. Reading my Bible helped. Knowing that even during the darkest times, God was carrying me through the footsteps through the sand helped. But so do my drugs every day. I wouldn't be sane without them. I don't think that God would want me to suffer like I was again, and I think He sent me to the hospital again and again so I could learn that. It was an important lesson.

My husband has muscular dystrophy. It's pretty rapidly destroying all the strength he has in his arms, shoulders, and stomach. My son is autistic. Very few have told me to tell THEM to "snap out of it". Actually, no one told me to "snap out" of mania either, I only hear it when depressed. No one has told my husband that if he just "prayed harder" his muscles would grow back. No one has told my son that if he just "believed enough" he could stop being autistic. It's only those of us with messed up brain chemistry, which is just as much a physical illness as diabetes, that are insulted in a way to make us believe that we don't deserve to feel as ill as we truly are.

So what if someone doesn't "believe" that you should feel depressed? You know what you feel, and you know what you are, and you cannot snap out of a chemical imbalance that is just as much of a malfunction of hormones as any other physical illness. Absolutely pray and lean on God for healing. And then see your doctor, who God has provided with the knowledge to make you feel better.

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Originally Posted by Emma!
God is not mad at you!! That is a lie from the enemy, God loves you no matter what!! And he can and will heal you from depression. There is NOTHING God can not do! HE LOVES YOU NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A good book to read is by Joyce Meyer and its called 'Battle Fields of the Mind' it is a great book!

Remember you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, then you are a Child of God. And He loves you more than you know and is not mad at you for not following some church rules (that are probably man made rules rather than God made, depends what you are talking about though).

If you are talking about sinning, then the depression may be coming as a result from that, because if you open the door through sin to the enemy than it can allow other things in eg. depression.

If this is the case, God STILL loves you and can help you from sin and depression and NOTHING will stop His love for you.

On the cross Jesus over came everything and that includes depression so He has already won it for you, you just need accept that.

Be praying for you
Be careful what you recommend, OK? "Battlefield of the Mind" is what lead to my psychosis. I ended up in the hospital for the next 7 days convinced that I didn't need my meds, God was talking to me, and that I was seeing angels and demons everywhere. I couldn't handle any noise, I couldn't handle people talking to me, I couldn't handle anyone touching me. As well as halos on street lamps, crosses for every telephone pole and street pole, and for some bizarre reason, foxes on the floor. I ran from my husband screaming that he was "going to take me back there, I could feel it", tried to drive away where he had to throw himself back into the car and refuse to let me leave, and in an abrupt shift of mood, I suddenly start smelling flowers and declaring how beautiful the world was and how thankful I was that God made it that way. And how God assured me I was going to be fine, I didn't need meds and if my husband just listened to me, we'd never have to deal with me having problems ever again. My husband STILL shudders thinking about how bad off I was that night. I've never dealt w/ psychosis like that. I'm sure Joyce's book can be an excellent book, but for someone already in a dangerous mindset, who's bipolar, who is already having problems, books like that can CAUSE the problems. I promise.

I still want to read that book. I've been told it's excellent. And I'm afraid to, cause I canNOT afford another 7 day hospital stay.

It's NOT always a "Battlefield of the Mind". Sometimes it's really a chemical imbalance and needs to be fixed. Meds can fix that. Sometimes it's SEVERAL meds that fix it. In my case it's SIX meds that fix it. But it's worth it to avoid situations like that again. Joyce's book might be the best book in the universe, but it's not always applicable.

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