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The Flood

Is the Biblical account of the flood global or local?
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Global.



The bible says the mountains (high hills) were covered.

GEN 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

If you do a geological survey in the area that the local flood contenders say the flood occured, you will discover that if the water covered the mountains, or high hills of that area...the flood HAD to have been much, much larger than local. We all know water seeks its own level.
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According to the following web site the lowest elevation of Armenia (the area that I have been told by previous Theo-Evs where the flood occured) is 400 meters.

http://www.parev.net/armenian-about-geography.htm

This is a water level...at the lowest point of about 1,300 feet

Now considering the area isn't a basin, the waters at the lowest point would have seeked its own level, spilled out of the area and would have been much more larger than a local flood.

Now considering that the waters were much higher than 400 meters during the flood, that is high enough to cover the mountains.(high hills)..there is no way flood could have been local
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Of course one could ask the question...If the flood was local, why build an ark?

Why not simply move the animals to the next country?
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The bible in Genesis tells us the rain fell on the earth and it was covered with water. It also says that the things living on the surface of the earth perished.

Now some Theo-Evos will claim that the word "earth" used in describing the flood account meant ...local land, or the known land at that time.

The original word for "earth" used was Strongs 776 erets
Now this very same word is used in the beginning of Genesis where God tells us he created the heavens and the earth erets.

Are we also to assume that the creation of the earth was a LOCAL earth? That is, just a portion of the earth or the whole earth?
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Peter also seem to agree that the world was flooded. Peter also makes what could very well be a prediction about the Theo-Evos as they have filtered their bible through science and delibertly forgotten what the bible says about the creation and the flood.

2PE 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

2PE 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

2PE 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
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In the new Testament Peter also tells us 8 people were saved from the flood waters. The Theo-Evos will tell you this statement is false and others in different countries and portions of the globe did not perish.

1PE 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
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Larry I hope the above has helped you in answering your question.
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Global.



The bible says the mountains (high hills) were covered.

GEN 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

If you do a geological survey in the area that the local flood contenders say the flood occured, you will discover that if the water covered the mountains, or high hills of that area...the flood HAD to have been much, much larger than local. We all know water seeks its own level.
We also know that the water required for drowning the entire earth couldn't poof out of nowhere.

We also know that if Noah took only two of each kind, there'd be no animals left at all, since the carnivores would have IMMEDIATELY eaten the herbivores and then promptly died out.
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Was there time for all of the races to develop if we are all descendants of Noah's family?
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