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Bushido216 We also know that the water required for drowning the entire earth couldn't poof out of nowhere.
No one claimed the water poofed out of no where. Don't you read the bible Mr. Strawman????
GEN 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
We also know that if Noah took only two of each kind, there'd be no animals left at all, since the carnivores would have IMMEDIATELY eaten the herbivores and then promptly died out.
It's obvious this character never heard of a simple device called a CAGE
Bushido216 We also know that the water required for drowning the entire earth couldn't poof out of nowhere.
No one claimed the water poofed out of no where. Don't you read the bible Mr. Strawman????
GEN 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
We also know that if Noah took only two of each kind, there'd be no animals left at all, since the carnivores would have IMMEDIATELY eaten the herbivores and then promptly died out.
It's obvious this character never heard of a simple device called a CAGE
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a.) I was using your own logic against you. If it's possible for the gates of heaven to open up and produce water, then it's equally possible for the Flood to be local.
b.) So, tell me how Noah kept the animals apart after they left the Ark? What did they eat?
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bushido, read each and every one of my post in the beginning of this thread.
Refute them with biblical logic...then get back to me.
As to what the animals ate, here is a SHORT list.
1. Seaweed. from what I have read, here are some of the following animals that have been know to eat eat seaweed: Moose, buffalo,Elephants,sheep,rabbits,cattle,horses,bears etc.
2. Edible Fungi would have also been avialable for consumption.
3. Carcasses. Dead animals that sunk to great depth would not be subject to much bacterial decay. Later if they floated to the surface or an area drained, the animals could have eaten them. Especially the scavengers. Other animals that eat carrion are, vultures, hyenas, jackals, lions, tigers, cheetas, ratels, leopards, foxes, wolves, otters, wild pigs, various snakes etc.
4. Fish, molluscs, crustaceans and other aquatic life would have made nice meals for some of the animals after they left the ark.
5. Rodents that were released from the ark would multiply quite rapidly and provide food for some of the animals. These rodents were probably bred on the ark as food for some of the animals during the flood. What what not used was let go.
6. Food left over from the ark could have provided nourishment for some of the animals after the flood.
7. Different grasses and other vegetation would have sprouted up shortly after the flood.
But then again, you are now off topic from the original question. If you would like to discuss the food...START A NEW THREAD ON THAT TOPIC...as for now, please try to stay on topic. Address the original issue.
Is the Biblical account of the flood global or local?
It's not clear. It's their world that was flooded, and it is the local "mountains" that are flooded. However, in the Tigris-Euphrates Valley those "mountains" are molehills to everyone else.
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If you do a geological survey in the area that the local flood contenders say the flood occured, you will discover that if the water covered the mountains, or high hills of that area...the flood HAD to have been much, much larger than local. We all know water seeks its own level.
If the Flood were the Tigris-Euphrates Valley -- the area of the local flood -- then the "mountains" are very small. The hills within the valley are not tall at all. If you have been watching the news of the Iraq war, you see that the geography is as flat as a griddle for the most part.
__________________ "If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is our interpretation of the Bible that is at fault." Christian Observer, 1832, pg. 437
"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works." Rev. James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, 1890
Bushido216 We also know that the water required for drowning the entire earth couldn't poof out of nowhere.
No one claimed the water poofed out of no where. Don't you read the bible Mr. Strawman????
GEN 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Ark Guy, please try to discuss the idea and not the personality. There was no need to get personal with the "Mr. Strawman". The idea may be a strawman, but that is the idea, not Bushido.
However, I don't think the idea is a strawman.
You still have a problem with
1. Where the water came from?
2. Where did it go?
These passages reflect the Babylonian cosmology where there is a crystal dome over a flat earth and huge caverns underneath the flat earth. So you open the doors in the crystal dome "floodgates of the heavens" and let the waters of the caverns come out. However, we now know that there is no crystal dome and the moisture in the air is not enough to flood the whole earth. Nor are there huge caverns of water under the surface. Those could be detected by seismic waves generated in earthquakes. Aquifers are not going to empty like that.
So, while the story does give a source of water, that source does not really exist. Which brings us back to Bushido's question of water "poofing out of nowhere".
We also know that if Noah took only two of each kind, there'd be no animals left at all, since the carnivores would have IMMEDIATELY eaten the herbivores and then promptly died out.
It's obvious this character never heard of a simple device called a CAGE
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That doesn't work. It's fine that you have cages on the Ark, but that still leaves the problem of fresh meat after a year on the Ark. Or even carrion meat. Any meat laid in by Noah before the voyage has long since spoiled. You have no mention of any fishing going on to provide food. Now, if you are going to go to the Bible as a source, that also should limit you to not adding things to the Bible, shouldn't it? So if the Bible doesn't mention fishing, it's because they didn't fish.
Of course, as soon as they are off the Ark, then the problem arises immediately. Yes, some predators will eat carrion, but any animals drowned for an entire year are going to be very "high" and not suitable food for lions, hyenas, etc. Those will eat fresh prey rather than the carrion, and thus there goes your pair of deer, antelope, wildebeest, rabbits,etc. Within hours or days of landing.
__________________ "If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is our interpretation of the Bible that is at fault." Christian Observer, 1832, pg. 437
"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works." Rev. James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, 1890
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