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Old 10th September 2004, 12:46 AM
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Preaching prosperity.

What truly is the prosperity message? How is it supported scripturally with the Bible? What would you say about people in the ministry that abuse their wealth? What about all of the wealthy TV evangilists? Everyone else thinks they are out of line.

I hear WoF talk prosperity a lot. My church has preached on it once or twice but it hasn't been the main focus sense I joined up with them. I'm not very knowledgeable about the bible as a whole just yet and I'm really curious to hear what the bible has to say about prosperity.

What is Gods will for my pocket book?
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The thing is, God wants us rich. Firstly, so that we can bless others. Secondly, coz we are His Children and He wants us to enjoy and live a happy life, after all, we are the children of a King. Where on this world do children of kings live in poverty. If even man, we evil human beings know how to splurge and bless our children, how much more our Father in heaven?? And, look at the children of Israel in the Old testament. They were always rich. God always blessed them with the spoils of the war.......in over abundance!!! See here

Genesis 13:2
Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold.

Joseph was very rich too, and God prospered whatever he touched. He then become the 2nd most powerful man in Eygpt
Genesis 39:5
From the time he put him in charge of his household and of all that he owned, the LORD blessed the household of the Egyptian because of Joseph. The blessing of the LORD was on everything Potiphar had, both in the house and in the field.

Also, i can't remember the reference (can someone help?) where after battle, Israel spent 3 DAYS collecting the spoils of the enemy camp, all the gold silver etc. God blessed them in over abundance!!!

King David was rich (well, obvious coz he's a king )

King solomon was rich, in fact, he's the richest man in the world till today!!!

Psalm 105: 37
He brought out Israel, laden with silver and gold, and from among their tribes no one faltered.

Most importantly,
Matthew 6: 33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

The thing that God is against is that people will worship money and riches instead of Him. But He has no qalms about people getting rich as long as their focus is not on the money but on Him. When people get greedy for money, its the bad thing. But as Jesus said, "Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you." Seek after God, and all the wealth, health etc will all come chasing after you. Don't chase after them, chase after God whose the giver of all these things.

And think abt it, if we are poor, how can we be a testimony to God? How can we reflect our rich father in heaven? People of the world will look and see the porverty striken us, and think, "where is their God? I thought they said their God is rich? Why don't I see it?" its the same for health. Its God's will for us to be healthy and NOT sick, otherwise, how can we testify that our God is a God who heals? People will turn around and say, "I think their God is not real. They said He can heal but how come He doesn't heal them?" And then, how can we bless others and help the poor if we ourselves are lacking?

Our God is a God of abundance. Look at the 12 basketfull of leftovers when he fed the 5000 people. Look at the netbreaking boatsinking load of fish that Jesus gave His disciples when they couldn't get fish. God wants to bless you financially. The problem is whether you want to receive it or not

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ShaunJ - I spend the time I speak about God's financial plan as "Provision" and not necessarily "Prosperity".

God is our Resource.

Let me share the Grace of abundance through salvation. In the event of Christ's sacrifice, we were lifted from our depravity into His Provision - in all areas of our life:

I was a sinner.
God came as Man - Jesus Christ.
On the Cross, Jesus became my sin.
I believe and confess Him as Savior and Lord.
I am now a saint - born-again.
I have Christ's Righteousness (or IOW His Righteousness becomes mine).

Let's see this in our finances:
2 Corinthians 8:9 - For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Although he was rich, for your sakes he became poor, so that you, through his poverty, might become rich.
So we see that just as He became sin on the Cross, He also became poverty-stricken on the Cross.

Just like we become Righteous through His becoming sin, we become "rich" through His taking on our poverty.

We would do well to take note that this is a spiritual occurrence first.

And to naysayers and "unbelieving believers" who say, "Well, this speaks of what He did for us spiritually and not for our finances," look at the context from which this scripture is taken...

Paul is dealing with the Corinthians concerning their giving financially to the minstry as he compares them with the Macedonians who were givers to the ministry as well.
Deuteronomy 8:18 - But thou shalt remember Jehovah thy God, for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth; that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as at this day.
Yes, it is God that gives us power to create wealth. But why? So that He may establish His Covenant in the earth...
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I agree with everything already posted but want to add a few things. First of all it's not bad that you have riches......IT is bad when riches have you. The rich man who had to go and sell all he had and give to the poor?? His riches had him that is why he had to sell all he had. Now I understand that God wants us to be rich and blessed but when you could buy a 200$ TV and use 2800$ to support a mission that would preach the gospel to the world but instead you choose to buy a 2800$ TV and give 200$ to the mission that is when your riches have you regardless of how much you have already given. Being rich doesn't mean that you have to have a million dollar home or a mercedes benz or armani suits , but you don't have to wear rags and drive a gremlin either. God seeks balance when you bless him by giving what you were freely given he will give back to you so much that youwill never be able to give it all away ( like King Solomon)!! *Cheers*
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Originally Posted by oldrooster
God could care less if you are rich or not, that is just garbage preached by the corrupt on tv. As I recall, Jesus had very little money.
You should check out the teaching "When was Jesus Poor" by Jesse Duplantis. JEsus was never poor. He always had enough to supply needs for His disciples and all the peopel around Him as well.
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[riverpastor]ShaunJ - I spend the time I speak about God's financial plan as "Provision" and not necessarily "Prosperity".

God is our Resource.

Let me share the Grace of abundance through salvation. In the event of Christ's sacrifice, we were lifted from our depravity into His Provision - in all areas of our life:

I was a sinner.
God came as Man - Jesus Christ.
On the Cross, Jesus became my sin.
I believe and confess Him as Savior and Lord.
I am now a saint - born-again.
I have Christ's Righteousness (or IOW His Righteousness becomes mine).



Let's see this in our finances:
2 Corinthians 8:9 - For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Although he was rich, for your sakes he became poor, so that you, through his poverty, might become rich.
So we see that just as He became sin on the Cross, He also became poverty-stricken on the Cross.

Just like we become Righteous through His becoming sin, we become "rich" through His taking on our poverty.

We would do well to take note that this is a spiritual occurrence first.

And to naysayers and "unbelieving believers" who say, "Well, this speaks of what He did for us spiritually and not for our finances," look at the context from which this scripture is taken...

Paul is dealing with the Corinthians concerning their giving financially to the minstry as he compares them with the Macedonians who were givers to the ministry as well.

Deuteronomy 8:18 - But thou shalt remember Jehovah thy God, for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth; that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as at this day.
Yes, it is God that gives us power to create wealth. But why? So that He may establish His Covenant in the earth...
If I'm honest it's not often I hear prosperity teaching that I'm comfortable with. This is a great post RP, especially the part I've highlighted.
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Originally Posted by old rooster
God could care less if you are rich or not, that is just garbage preached by the corrupt on tv. As I recall, Jesus had very little money.
Jesus had Provision. It was by grace of His Father. When He needed it, it was there. He was independent of the circumstance because Heaven was His resource.
2 Corinthians 8:9 - For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Although he was rich, for your sakes he became poor, so that you, through his poverty, might become rich.
Let me post this one more time. I love to see this scripture.

On the Cross, he took our sin, sickness, disease, depravity, lack, destitution, backwardness, and, oh yes, poverty so that we could be redeemed!!!
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