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18th January 2004, 12:13 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AlHailThePowerOfJesusName so then if its actually the properties of certain molecules, then this may not be an isolated event. shouldn't it or couldn't it happen with other types of molecules as well? couldn't there be a lava monster that lives in the core of the planet which evolved from a tiny protocell of certain metal molecules? lol.
If the conditions are right for life, which is an algorithm, to arise- it will. If not, it won't-that simple. If there is no life ,the conditions were not right.
Life from metal molecules??
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18th January 2004, 09:13 AM
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If the conditions are right for life, which is an algorithm, to arise- it will. If not, it won't-that simple. If there is no life ,the conditions were not right.
well chances are that if we got that lucky something else might too. Life from metal molecules??
yeah if the conditions are right... who knows maybe the machines will rise lol. 
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Darwin is dead, and Christ is alive. Gotta love natural selection.
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18th January 2004, 11:42 AM
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Reps: 29,807,908,674,769,116 (power: 29,807,908,674,784) | | Originally Posted by AlHailThePowerOfJesusName well chances are that if we got that lucky something else might too.
yeah if the conditions are right... who knows maybe the machines will rise lol.
LorentzHA and I just told you why not. The conditions are no longer right. Do you comprehend this or shall I beat you over the head with it again?
Am I the only one getting visions of Ark Guy all over again? I wouldn't be surprised if he made this name so he could come in here and not lose (more) face.
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Reps: 26,771 (power: 42) | | Originally Posted by Bushido216 The conditions are no longer right.
The conditions were never right. Hence the reason that farce should be deleted from textbooks.
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18th January 2004, 03:40 PM
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18th January 2004, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AlHailThePowerOfJesusName well chances are that if we got that lucky something else might too.
yeah if the conditions are right... who knows maybe the machines will rise lol.
What you are not understanding, however, is that chemistry is not "luck".
Machines will not "rise" because they are not Biological organisms. (sigh) The only way they will "rise" is as in The Terminator movies-when they become smarter that people....which may, by the looks of things here, happen quite soon. 
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18th January 2004, 03:46 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Bushido216 LorentzHA and I just told you why not. The conditions are no longer right. Do you comprehend this or shall I beat you over the head with it again?
Am I the only one getting visions of Ark Guy all over again? I wouldn't be surprised if he made this name so he could come in here and not lose (more) face.
Exactly Bushido . I do not understand how someone could think that a machine could "rise up" or that chemistry is "luck". I get the feeling some people would rather not know or be confused by the facts.
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18th January 2004, 03:48 PM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood The conditions were never right. Hence the reason that farce should be deleted from textbooks.
hahaha. so you were here right since the beginning of time to tell us that were you?
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood The conditions were never right. Hence the reason that farce should be deleted from textbooks.
Why is that? How did you come to this conclusion?
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18th January 2004, 04:00 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by bevets ANY theory of origins makes metaphysical assumptions.
But since evolution is not a theory of origins, it doesn't have any. Remember, there are theistic evolutionists, agnostic evolutionists, and atheistic evolutionists. Therefore no metaphysical assumptions.
Out-of-context or outdated quotes aren't evidence of anything other than the character of the person using the quote.
The theory of natural selection is then revealed as metaphysical rather than scientific. Natural selection explains nothing because it explains everything. ~ Richard Lewontin
Since Lewontin has demonstrated that natural selection is falsifiable -- there are things that it theoretically would not explain -- and quantifiable, this one is no good.
I now wish to give some reasons why I regard Darwinism as metaphysical, and as a research programme. It is metaphysical because it is not testable. ~ Karl Poper
It's Popper, not "Poper". This is an old quote. Popper did hold this position for a while until he reexamined it. He then concluded that Darwinism was both testable and falsifiable.
Darwinists believe that the mutation-selection mechanism accomplishes wonders of creativity not because the wonders can be demonstrated, but because they cannot think of a more plausible explanation for the existence of wonders that does not involve an unacceptable creator, i.e., a being or force outside the world of nature.
Poor Johnson. We have gone over examples of observed natural selection being creative, Bevets. Creative to the point that it can get patents!
This statement of Johnson's is testable, falsifiable, and has been falsified.
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