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It's not a strawman, though. That's abiogenesis and spontaneous generation at it's finest.
Non-living matter becomes living. One form of spontaneous generation, it becomes a single-celled organism. The other form, it becomes a full blown living creature. No catalyst. No human or divine intervention. No preprogrammed ability. No built in abilities of any sort to accomplish said feat. NOTHING.
Evolution in populations supposedly takes over from there.
That's the joke of epidemic proportions. It's hard to believe they actually teach this rubbish in schools.
What's even more amazing? That you actually believe that this is taught. Spontanious generation was disproved, oh, 1600 years ago, and hasn't been taught since.
Semantically, he does have a point. However, this is one of those cases where semantics is pretty much pointless. Many dictionaries directly equate abiogenesis with spontaneous generation. The one I'm looking at right now says "see abiogenesis" under the definition for spontaneous generation.
Spontaneous generation, as many biologists use it, is an old outdated theory where fully formed beings emerged from inanimate objects. The meat test with the flies and flask tests with the bacteria disproved that.
Abiogenesis differs in that it doesn't start spontaneously, there have to be certain conditions met before the molecules will start to form.
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Non-living matter becomes living. One form of spontaneous generation, it becomes a single-celled organism. The other form, it becomes a full blown living creature. No catalyst. No human or divine intervention. No preprogrammed ability. No built in abilities of any sort to accomplish said feat. NOTHING.
Demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what abiogenesis is. There is a catalyste needed to get it going. There are built in properties of amino acids, peptides, and proteins, I touched upon this in part 1 of my rebuttal. It doesn't just "become a single-celled organism", it starts off much simpler, and by using the intrinsic properties inherent within the molecules it becomes more complex as they combine and replicate.
It's basically a sound bite description of what abiogenesis is. I can also tell by the wording you use "preprogrammed ability" and "built in abilities" that you are coming from an angle where you think it has to be designed to do what it does. Put simply, matter has many innate properties that are simply part of it's being, especially on the atomic and molecular scales.
It's basically a sound bite description of what abiogenesis is. I can also tell by the wording you use "preprogrammed ability" and "built in abilities" that you are coming from an angle where you think it has to be designed to do what it does. Put simply, matter has many innate properties that are simply part of it's being, especially on the atomic and molecular scales.
so then if its actually the properties of certain molecules, then this may not be an isolated event. shouldn't it or couldn't it happen with other types of molecules as well? couldn't there be a lava monster that lives in the core of the planet which evolved from a tiny protocell of certain metal molecules? lol.
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The key to that article was that the conditions that the scientist had to reproduce to even achieve the results that he did failed to accurately mirror the conditions present at the time abiogenesis took place. That is a significant fact.
What else is important is that other scientists can not reproduce the findings. It seems to me that if that happens today, the hypothesis and the conclusions are discarded.
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