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... interpretation is necessary to prevent our being misled by the mere sound of words. How many have formed wrong conceptions from the language used in different verses through their failure to understand its sense. To many it appears impious to place a different meaning upon a term than what appears to be its obvious signification; yet a sufficient warning against this should be found in the case of those who have so fanatically and stubbornly adhered to Christ’s words, "this [unleavened bread] is My body," refusing to allow that it must mean "this represents My body" — as "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are [i.e. symbolize] the seven churches" (Rev. 1:20). The error of Universalism, based upon indefinite terms being given an unlimited meaning, points further warning. Arminianism errs in the same direction. "That He by the grace of God should taste death for every man"(Heb. 2:9) no more included Cain, Pharaoh and Judas than "every man" is to be understood absolutely in Luke 16:16; Romans 12:3; 1 Corinthians 4:5; and "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4, 6, is no more to be taken as meaning all without exception than it is in Luke 3:15; John 3:26; Acts 22:15.
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I found this most excellent page ...........here's a taster.....
"What denominations embrace Calvinism today?
Calvinism, or Reformed theology in general, is predominant in the following denominations: National Primitive Baptist Convention of the USA (1 million members), Presbyterian Church in America (200,000 members), Reformed Church in America (200,000 members), Evangelical Covenant Church (90,000 members), Primitive Baptists (72,000 members), Moravian Church (60,000 members), Evangelical Presbyterian Church (56,000), Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches (40,000), remnants of the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (40,000), Reformed Baptists (300 to 400 churches), Orthodox Presbyterian Church (20,000 members), and about ten other denominations, each with memberships between 1,000 and 10,000. A large number of Congregationalist churches are also Calvinist. Nearly all churches in these denominations classify themselves as evangelical or fundamentalist, and most (non-Primitive) support education and missions programs."
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... interpretation is necessary to prevent our being misled by the mere sound of words. How many have formed wrong conceptions from the language used in different verses through their failure to understand its sense. To many it appears impious to place a different meaning upon a term than what appears to be its obvious signification; yet a sufficient warning against this should be found in the case of those who have so fanatically and stubbornly adhered to Christ’s words, "this [unleavened bread] is My body," refusing to allow that it must mean "this represents My body" — as "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are [i.e. symbolize] the seven churches" (Rev. 1:20). The error of Universalism, based upon indefinite terms being given an unlimited meaning, points further warning. Arminianism errs in the same direction. "That He by the grace of God should taste death for every man"(Heb. 2:9) no more included Cain, Pharaoh and Judas than "every man" is to be understood absolutely in Luke 16:16; Romans 12:3; 1 Corinthians 4:5; and "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4, 6, is no more to be taken as meaning all without exception than it is in Luke 3:15; John 3:26; Acts 22:15.
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cygnusx1--Thanks a lot for "the election and predestination of the believer." That text would be very good to have in tract form. I made three copies of it. It is excellent. God speed you, friend!
I'm such a dip!! ROFL I'm so sorry, I accidently gave Rolf the 1000 blessings! and now i only have 500, but I'll give them to you, and hopefully someone else can give you some!
I'm such a dip!! ROFL I'm so sorry, I accidently gave Rolf the 1000 blessings! and now i only have 500, but I'll give them to you, and hopefully someone else can give you some!
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Rolf, have some blessings....lol.....he he he
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Have some blessings sister.............
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... interpretation is necessary to prevent our being misled by the mere sound of words. How many have formed wrong conceptions from the language used in different verses through their failure to understand its sense. To many it appears impious to place a different meaning upon a term than what appears to be its obvious signification; yet a sufficient warning against this should be found in the case of those who have so fanatically and stubbornly adhered to Christ’s words, "this [unleavened bread] is My body," refusing to allow that it must mean "this represents My body" — as "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are [i.e. symbolize] the seven churches" (Rev. 1:20). The error of Universalism, based upon indefinite terms being given an unlimited meaning, points further warning. Arminianism errs in the same direction. "That He by the grace of God should taste death for every man"(Heb. 2:9) no more included Cain, Pharaoh and Judas than "every man" is to be understood absolutely in Luke 16:16; Romans 12:3; 1 Corinthians 4:5; and "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4, 6, is no more to be taken as meaning all without exception than it is in Luke 3:15; John 3:26; Acts 22:15.
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I've been studying/thinking about this topic for several years. As much as I might fight (logically) against the doctrine of predestination and calvinism, it has become much clearer to me that it is the truth. Spending so much time in apologetics has opened my eyes to something I really didn't want to accept...that Calvinism is true. I still have questions that I haven't resolved, but I believe that I will come to an understanding with time. I appreciate all of your links and the abundant amount of information about calvinism that you have made available. Thanks for this thread, it has helped me a lot.
I do have one question for you though...is apologetics a complete waste of time? I enjoy defending the faith (it actually builds up my faith more), but I can see that many of those in apologetics truly are unable to see/understand the truth. I read somewhere once that people will be accountable to God for the knowledge given to them that they rejected. Is it possible that I am only heaping on more judgment by continuing to share the gospel with those who have rejected it over and over?
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"He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." -- Micah 6:8
I've been studying/thinking about this topic for several years. As much as I might fight (logically) against the doctrine of predestination and calvinism, it has become much clearer to me that it is the truth. Spending so much time in apologetics has opened my eyes to something I really didn't want to accept...that Calvinism is true. I still have questions that I haven't resolved, but I believe that I will come to an understanding with time. I appreciate all of your links and the abundant amount of information about calvinism that you have made available. Thanks for this thread, it has helped me a lot.
I do have one question for you though...is apologetics a complete waste of time? I enjoy defending the faith (it actually builds up my faith more), but I can see that many of those in apologetics truly are unable to see/understand the truth. I read somewhere once that people will be accountable to God for the knowledge given to them that they rejected. Is it possible that I am only heaping on more judgment by continuing to share the gospel with those who have rejected it over and over?
Hi there Sojourner1 , I am sorry I have only just this minute noticed this post , thanks for the warm and very welcome response.
I am not convinced that GA is a good place for people to be saved , but we are commanded to "contend for the Faith" and I guess we have a big opportunity to do just that in a place where people love to be skeptical , that's being polite
As for the issue of heaping burning coals , or making it worse , that may be true , BUT , and this must be said , that is only one part of the truth...for God is in us , and He is calling sincerely upon men and women who despise Him to be saved ..........That I believe is what we must dwell on...the positive , you know "if there be anything good , noble , etc , dwell on these things"
Bless You Sister Cygnus
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... interpretation is necessary to prevent our being misled by the mere sound of words. How many have formed wrong conceptions from the language used in different verses through their failure to understand its sense. To many it appears impious to place a different meaning upon a term than what appears to be its obvious signification; yet a sufficient warning against this should be found in the case of those who have so fanatically and stubbornly adhered to Christ’s words, "this [unleavened bread] is My body," refusing to allow that it must mean "this represents My body" — as "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are [i.e. symbolize] the seven churches" (Rev. 1:20). The error of Universalism, based upon indefinite terms being given an unlimited meaning, points further warning. Arminianism errs in the same direction. "That He by the grace of God should taste death for every man"(Heb. 2:9) no more included Cain, Pharaoh and Judas than "every man" is to be understood absolutely in Luke 16:16; Romans 12:3; 1 Corinthians 4:5; and "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4, 6, is no more to be taken as meaning all without exception than it is in Luke 3:15; John 3:26; Acts 22:15.
A W Pink
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I've been studying/thinking about this topic for several years. As much as I might fight (logically) against the doctrine of predestination and calvinism, it has become much clearer to me that it is the truth. Spending so much time in apologetics has opened my eyes to something I really didn't want to accept...that Calvinism is true. I still have questions that I haven't resolved, but I believe that I will come to an understanding with time. I appreciate all of your links and the abundant amount of information about calvinism that you have made available. Thanks for this thread, it has helped me a lot.
Just wanted to say hi and welcome you aboard! I'm a recent "convert" also, and here is where I also learned the truth of calvinism. It is, at first, a hard pill to swallow, but I have found so much peace in knowing the truth. And as I learn(from awesome people like cygnusx1 ), it's easier and easier to understand. I just wanted to give you encouragement in your walk and let you know it does get easier!!!
ROFL I'm so sorry, I accidently gave Rolf the 1000 blessings! and now i only have 500, but I'll give them to you, and hopefully someone else can give you some! 
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