The "Flood" in OT NT

Hi fellow brethren,
I generally read the whole bible from beginning to end, including revelation.
While reading thru revelations I noticed this period of time and thought it might symbolize something and I remembered this is the same period that covered the earth in the flood of Noah!!!
Has anyone else looked at this possibly. I also read thru the 7 random churches and they also seem to follow the OT in some ways. Such as the 1st church- Tree of Life(Eden), 2nd one-Second Death(adam?) 3rd one Hidden Manna (exodus in the wilderness) etc. Has anyone else seen this?


150 days are mentioned only in these 2 places and I thought it was kind of ironic.

gen 7:12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.


reve 9:5 And they were not given [authority] to kill them, but to torment them [for] five months. Their torment [was] like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

exodus 14:12 "[Is] this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, 'Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians?' For [it would have been] better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness." 13 And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. 14 "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."

The "Flood" in OT NT



Hi fellow brethren,
I generally read the whole bible from beginning to end, including revelation, always praying in the spirit for knowledge and wisdom of God's words.
While reading thru revelations, I noticed this period of time and thought it might symbolize something and I remembered this is the same period that covered the earth in the flood of Noah!!!
Has anyone else looked at this possibly. I also read thru the 7 random churches and they also seem to follow the OT in some ways. Such as the 1st church- Tree of Life(Eden), 2nd one-Second Death(adam?) 3rd one Hidden Manna (exodus in the wilderness) etc. Has anyone else seen this?


150 days are mentioned only in these 2 places and I thought it was kind of ironic. Was there a reason God used these specific amount of days?

gen 7:12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

reve 9:5 And they were not given [authority] to kill them, but to torment them [for] five months. Their torment [was] like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

exodus 14:12 "[Is] this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, 'Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians?' For [it would have been] better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness." 13 And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. 14 "The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace."

I have not seen it this way before...some may disagree right away due to what may seem like similarities with the dispensationalist perspective.

What you have said seems interesting...I'm just not sure if it follows through completely. Could you please give an outline of what you believe...including the relationship with the remaining churches and the OT. How does the 150 days in Noah's flood relate to the selective church in its respective order? Would that second death relate to the flood? I'm not trying to help your theory...just understand what you are saying...

Thank you,

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Well, in regards to Rev 9:5, 5 months does not mean 150 days. Both the Gregorian and Jewish calendars have months of varying days. If you take 5 consecutive months on the Gregorian calendar, you either get 151 or 152 days, by my math. (It is late, though... )
Same goes for Jewish calendar, except you get fewer than 150 days.

I think this might be an incidental detail (150 days of flood) that we are not supposed to learn anything about other than the fact that everything on the earth died.

It is good to see womeone who notices stuff like that though. It means you are really looking deep!

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How come this thread is in two different fora? (It's also in Bibliology & Hermeneutics)

Are you waiting to see if the discussion goes in two different directions?

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This thread is also in General Theology. I suggest that In Christ Forever (or one of the moderators) close one thread so we can concentrate on the other.

Got enough threads to track as it is...

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Many of the things that occured in the OT are foreshadowings, or, I don't know how to say it, but they will be fulfilled again. I don't know specifically about the references you are making considering I actually avoid Revelations. I have read it and walked away completely confused, so until I grow spiritually, I think I will leave that book alone. Otherwise I may cause more damage than good.

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Chuck Missler, while not so adept in predicting the future (he fell for Y2K hook line and sinker) is one of the best Bible scholars I have ever encountered. His teaching digs into the nooks and crannies of scripture (such as the original poster in this thread alluded to).
www.khouse.org

For example, he equates the seven churches of revelation with the seven churches Paul wrote, and with the seven parables of the Lord in Matthew 13, also with the book of Joshua. I do not recall a specific study og his on the parallels of portions of revelation and Genesis 6-9 but it would not surprise me if he had.

Regards,

150 days are mentioned only in these 2 places and I thought it was kind of ironic. Was there a reason God used these specific amount of days?

gen 7:12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

reve 9:5 And they were not given [authority] to kill them, but to torment them [for] five months. Their torment [was] like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

I just felt God was using the "5 months" as symbolical for something and is how I came across the flood of Noah.
Revelation appears to be a final war or battle and the end of an "old heaven and earth" and so I read thru it trying to find similarities in the OT . THe "locust" appear to be an Army "sieging" a "CITY", thus causing severe famine by keeping food from the people, not destroying it.[I don't believe they are literal "locusts" and they are also wearing Diadems of gold"]
I found similarities with Ezekiel also. It even shows God as Christ in some places. It is pretty fascinating devinely written book and could only have been written thru God Himself

jeremiah 46:6 The swift do not flee, nor do the mighty escape, Northward, by the side of the river Phrat, They have stumbled and fallen. 7 Who is this? as a flood he cometh up, As rivers do his waters shake themselves! 8 Egypt, as a flood cometh up, And as rivers the waters shake themselves. And he saith, I go up; I cover the land, I destroy the city and the inhabitants in it.

dan 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

dan 11: 22 and, the arms of an overflowing flood, will sweep all before him, and they shall be broken in pieces,--moreover also, the prince of a covenant;

Nahum 1:8 But with an overflowing flood He will make an utter end of its place, And darkness will pursue His enemies.


This also appears to be a parallel, the day God glorifies Himself Both are a form of a "sacrificial" meal and it is this that got me looking at revelation a little more. After all, we are blessed if we read it.

reve 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 "that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all [people,] free and slave, both small and great." 19

Ezekiel 39:8"Surely it is coming, and it shall be done," says the Lord GOD. "This [is] the day of which I have spoken. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD. 15 "The search party will pass through the land; and [when anyone] sees a man's bone, he shall set up a marker by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog. 17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, Drink the blood of the princes of the earth, Of rams and

1 corin 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them,] because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is [rightly] judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

. . .in case someone else hasn't pointed this already, it is Revelation, not "revelations"

Singular, not plural