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Old 31st December 2003, 02:33 PM
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Some good responses... keep them coming

(hat on) And as ever, opinions from all points of view are acceptable in this forum... thats what keeps the discussion interesting (hat off)
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Originally Posted by ej
As a spin-off from Wonder111's thread...

Why do we not reproduce asexually? It would solve a lot of problems...

I have several thoughts, but I'd like to hear yours
IMO- Because Mitosis at the Macro level would look odd, especially cytokinesis
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sexual reproduction is a gift from God.
He created us and gave us a natural loving way to create of oursleves.
He's the one who makes it all possible ,we serve Him by reproducing He wants us to multiply He made it that way.
He also wants the couple to love one another as man wife ,sex as it's purpose it is of God ,we obey Him and our lives are perfect.
there is no better way than Gods way His way is perfect.
He gives us a perfect way to live ,but we always choose an alternative ,corrupting and polluting His perfect gifts He gave us.

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Originally Posted by Duane Morse
With asexual reproduction you would only get clones, the Spirit in its entirety would be passed on. But with sexual reproduction you get a unique individual, with a unique soul, and its own unique part of the Spirit.
I guess identical twins have no soul eh.
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IMO- Because Mitosis at the Macro level would look odd, especially cytokinesis
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Delivering a baby is pretty odd when you stop and think about it too!
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Originally Posted by Duane Morse
With asexual reproduction you would only get clones, the Spirit in its entirety would be passed on. But with sexual reproduction you get a unique individual, with a unique soul, and its own unique part of the Spirit.
I think you may be confusing form / soul dualism again

(And with asexual reproduction, you do not 'only get clones' btw)
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Ok, so sexual reproduction gives us wonderful gene shuffling.

So.. why are there separate sexes still? Why isn't everything hermaphroditic?
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Originally Posted by ej
(And with asexual reproduction, you do not 'only get clones' btw)
Depends on how you do it.

As for the OP, there is a simple answer. Probably too simple. We don't produce asexually because our ancestors didn't and no change evolved.

Now if the follow-up questions are, "Why did our ancestors first start reproducing sexually? Why does asexual reproduction occassionally reemerge in animal species? And why doesn't it reemerge more often or more successfully?" well no one really knows. There likely isn't one answer to any of them except cop-out ones like, "In more ecological niches sexual reproduction is favored." IIRC, there have been some interesting studies in Australia of some desert environments that seem to have an unusually large number of asexually reproducing animal species that may shed some light on the question of what the real benefits of sexual reproduction is for the majority of animals in the majority of environments.
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Originally Posted by Sheseala
Ok, so sexual reproduction gives us wonderful gene shuffling.

So.. why are there separate sexes still? Why isn't everything hermaphroditic?
Because then you would get two pregnant persons fighting for the toilet during the morning.
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Originally Posted by DrLao
Depends on how you do it.

As for the OP, there is a simple answer. Probably too simple. We don't produce asexually because our ancestors didn't and no change evolved.

Now if the follow-up questions are, "Why did our ancestors first start reproducing sexually? Why does asexual reproduction occassionally reemerge in animal species? And why doesn't it reemerge more often or more successfully?" well no one really knows. There likely isn't one answer to any of them except cop-out ones like, "In more ecological niches sexual reproduction is favored." IIRC, there have been some interesting studies in Australia of some desert environments that seem to have an unusually large number of asexually reproducing animal species that may shed some light on the question of what the real benefits of sexual reproduction is for the majority of animals in the majority of environments.
From what I gathered in my biology class, asexual reproduction occurs when the environment is stable (variation isn't as valuable) and when finding mates is difficult.
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