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Yes of course He was
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29th December 2003, 07:56 PM
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We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?
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30th December 2003, 10:39 AM
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Reps: 78 (power: 0) | | | I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect. |
30th December 2003, 11:25 AM
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30th December 2003, 11:42 AM
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Reps: 387 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by PistGurl I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible.
If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions... |
30th December 2003, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 78 (power: 0) | | | Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.
In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say. |
30th December 2003, 06:28 PM
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Reps: 13,504 (power: 27) | | Originally Posted by Éclairé Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.
In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.
That depends on 'why' He overturned the tables... The money-changers were doing business in the front courtyard of the temple. Holding a foreign exchange stall for people wanting to buy sacrifices, while homeless, beggars and the poor were being kept out on the streets.
His anger was more of a reprimand for the lack of respect that the businessmen had for the temple.
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30th December 2003, 06:39 PM
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Reps: 78 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Droobie That depends on 'why' He overturned the tables... The money-changers were doing business in the front courtyard of the temple. Holding a foreign exchange stall for people wanting to buy sacrifices, while homeless, beggars and the poor were being kept out on the streets.
His anger was more of a reprimand for the lack of respect that the businessmen had for the temple.
I don't take issue with the source of the anger or its 'righteousness', only that what he did was illegal and apparently destructive to property, while at the same time could have possibly been more effectively vented towards those responsible for granting permission to setup the market in the first place.
I'm not going as far as to say he wasn't perfect but that this example is not one you would not use to teach people as a perfect method to handle situations in todays society. |
30th December 2003, 08:29 PM
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Reps: 889,119,283,581,404 (power: 889,119,283,601) | | | *ss* An interesting question indeed. And I think it is one that is difficult to answer, without asking what the nature of perfection is. And then you come in a very subjective area.
I do believe he had temper tantrums, and moments or periods of inperfection. That to me is one of the greatest miracles of God becomming man. To carry the human flaws, and keep to living without sin. Sin is in... intention, as is pointed out above, not in emotion, and not even always in execution. |
1st January 2004, 11:40 AM
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1st January 2004, 12:02 PM
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Reps: 140,120 (power: 183) | | Originally Posted by PistGurl I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
Pist, Jesus was the Word made Flesh. Jesus was perfect in every way. Who is man to question God's actions? You are Pist, I am Bevlina, God is God. 
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