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27th December 2003, 04:49 AM
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Reps: 5,365 (power: 28) | | Very interesting. Also along the same lines, its obviously a picture of European Jesus, common in lots of artwork. Besides not knowing what Jesus really looks like, we have never actually seen a picture or even a painting, all of views of jesus comes from artistic representations out of europe.
I cant remember right, but wasn't the shroud traditionally multiple pieces of cloth and not one huge sheet? Originally Posted by Vegan Charity The shroud is a fake.
I believe it was not intended as a hoax, but instead as a beautiful piece of artwork.
I think the most damaging thing to the shrouds credibility is the image itself. The image shows a "perfect" face. However, that is impossible because the shroud would have to be wrapped around Jesus's face. When you wrap a piece of cloth around something, you get an impression of the surface area. For the image to bare a bit of remote authenticity, the image itself would have to be laterally distorted (meaning the face would have to appear very wide).
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27th December 2003, 11:13 AM
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Reps: 183 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Arikay Very interesting. Also along the same lines, its obviously a picture of European Jesus, common in lots of artwork. Besides not knowing what Jesus really looks like, we have never actually seen a picture or even a painting, all of views of jesus comes from artistic representations out of europe.
I cant remember right, but wasn't the shroud traditionally multiple pieces of cloth and not one huge sheet?
Of course it's a fake.
If I remember correctly there were 3 separate labs that did the Carbon dating and their results were concordant within experimental errors. The contamination issue is a red herring. For one thing they are pretty careful about that and it could not have been contaminated to that degree or that the differing labs had all the same level of contamination.
Also a (French?) artist did a wonderful reproduction using 13th century materials - showing how it could be done.
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27th December 2003, 01:11 PM
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I don't recall any paint on The Thinker either...
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27th December 2003, 01:15 PM
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Reps: 427,521,690,148,968,832 (power: 427,521,690,148,993) | | Originally Posted by Chi_Cygni Also a (French?) artist did a wonderful reproduction using 13th century materials - showing how it could be done.
As I recall an artist was trying to reproduce the Shroud but had not yet succeeded. You have a source?
The dating pretty well rules it out as the real burial shroud.
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27th December 2003, 01:42 PM
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Vegan Charity The shroud is a fake.
I believe it was not intended as a hoax, but instead as a beautiful piece of artwork.
I think the most damaging thing to the shrouds credibility is the image itself. The image shows a "perfect" face. However, that is impossible because the shroud would have to be wrapped around Jesus's face. When you wrap a piece of cloth around something, you get an impression of the surface area. For the image to bare a bit of remote authenticity, the image itself would have to be laterally distorted (meaning the face would have to appear very wide).
I've always wondered why there is lack of lateral distortion, something that few people seem to comment on. The image, in 3D texture mapping terms, look like a projection not a wrap. I would speculate it would be near impossible to create such an effect from cloth drapping a 3D human face.
As another member commented, it looks like a fairly simplistic painting. (and who needs to use just 'paint' to paint? |
3rd January 2004, 06:44 AM
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OK people, the shroud is definitely a fake and there is no doubt about it.
You see, back in Jesus' days when people were buried the custom was for them to be buried with "2" cloths not 1, a cloth for their head and a cloth for the rest of their body. Even in the bible as it says, when peter entered the tomb he found “two” cloths, 1 to each side of the resting place. There is your scriptural proof, any scientific proof can have errors, but the bible has no errors. Please feel free to reply. |
3rd January 2004, 12:19 PM
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Reps: 183 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by sam_k1989 OK people, the shroud is definitely a fake and there is no doubt about it.
You see, back in Jesus' days when people were buried the custom was for them to be buried with "2" cloths not 1, a cloth for their head and a cloth for the rest of their body. Even in the bible as it says, when peter entered the tomb he found “two” cloths, 1 to each side of the resting place. There is your scriptural proof, any scientific proof can have errors, but the bible has no errors. Please feel free to reply.
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by sam_k1989 There is your scriptural proof, any scientific proof can have errors, but the bible has no errors  Your kidding, right? The Bible has a ton of errors and is clearly written in the mindset of men 2,000 years ago.
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Reps: 1,795,728 (power: 1,809) | | | I remember watching a show about the Shroud of Turin last year (2003) on the history channel I believe. They did a pretty good study on it and it’s history. It is a beautiful piece of faith art, but just that, art.
They even tried to reproduce it several ways, from hand painting to actually wrapping a person in a treated cloth. The method that was the closest match was to cut a relief of a Christ figure in a low depth format (like Egyptian relief wall carvings) and wet the shroud, forming it to the relief like a mold. Then you rub it with the colorants and paint on the “blood”, take it off, wash it lightly a few times to loosen the excess coloring and poof, you have an exact copy of the shroud. It even films and tests the same as the original explaining why there are no paint binders found and why the image is like a photographic negative. |
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