How many experts, even Christian experts, accept Creation Science?

Vance · #1 29th August 2004, 01:17 AM

I often hear YEC's say that there are many scientists who do not accept evolution, and are coming around to the Creation Science point of view. Here is the truth:

"Taking into account only those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory [Robinson, 1995]. This means that less than 0.15% of relevant scientists believe in creationism. And that's just the US, which has more creationists than any other industrialized country. In other countries, the number of relevant scientists who accept creationism drops to less than one tenth of 1%."

from http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/guide/CA/CA111.html

But, what about those scientists who are Christians, don't THEY come down on the side of Creation Science?

How many of those 480,000 scientists do we think are Christians? Just the 700 who believe in Creation Science? Of course not. Let's say that only 10% of all the scientists were Christians, that is still 48,000, or 68 CHRISTIAN scientists who do NOT believe in Creation Science for every 1 that does. Even if only 1% were such Christians, this would still mean that almost 7 out of every 8 Christian scientists do not believe in Creation Science.

The assertion that Creation Science concepts are believed by even the *Christian* scientific community is simply not supportable.

Mistermystery · #2 29th August 2004, 05:17 AM

Projection fallacy; you can't seem to "win" the debate, so you projecet your own weakness (that you are for instance small in numbers) onto your "enemy". Lookie here:

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution.

No evidence suggests that evolution is losing adherents. Pick up any issue of a peer-reviewed biological journal, and you will find articles that support and extend evolutionary studies or that embrace evolution as a fundamental concept.

... Creationists retort that a closed-minded scientific community rejects their evidence. Yet according to the editors of Nature, Science and other leading journals, few antievolution manuscripts are even submitted. Some antievolution authors have published papers in serious journals. Those papers, however, rarely attack evolution directly or advance creationist arguments; at best, they identify certain evolutionary problems as unsolved and difficult (which no one disputes). In short, creationists are not giving the scientific world good reason to take them seriously.

Arikay · #3 29th August 2004, 06:04 AM

If you want to get technical, many creationist groups are right when they claim that "belief in evolution is shrinking." Since we know that few, if any, creationist groups define evolution correctly. It is true that belief in [creationist defined] evolution is shrinking.

Data · #4 29th August 2004, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mistermystery

Projection fallacy; you can't seem to "win" the debate, so you projecet your own weakness (that you are for instance small in numbers) onto your "enemy". Lookie here:

Yeaa, I think you should read his post again

Mistermystery · #5 29th August 2004, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Data

Yeaa, I think you should read his post again

I was only explaining to the op what the actual term was for this fallacy. I know Vance is on our side.

JohnR7 · #6 29th August 2004, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Arikay

Since we know that few, if any, creationist groups define evolution correctly.

I do not know of very many evolutionists that can define it correctly. The problem is more on the inside, then it is on the outside. If only 15% of evolutionists really understand evolution, then why would it be a surprise if only 6% of creationists understand it?

HRE · #7 29th August 2004, 10:08 AM

Where did you pull those numbers from?

Mistermystery · #8 29th August 2004, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by HRE

Where did you pull those numbers from?

Somewhere around these regions I suppose. You know, where the air is very thin.

JohnR7 · #9 29th August 2004, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Vance

I often hear YEC's say that there are many scientists who do not accept evolution, and are coming around to the Creation Science point of view.

There was a challange a while ago, to find just one geologist that accepted the YEC position, based on scientific evidence. I thought I could find one, but I was not able to. There are christian geologists that accept YEC based on faith, but I could not find one that accepted YEC based on science.

HRE · #10 29th August 2004, 09:16 PM

If I saved that, would that count as quote-mining?