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26th December 2003, 09:42 PM
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26th December 2003, 09:45 PM
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Reps: 1,385 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by santaclaus Do animals go to heaven?
No, they go to Florida. |
27th December 2003, 12:29 AM
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For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity.
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All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.
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Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth? |
27th December 2003, 01:11 AM
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Reps: 2,208 (power: 12) | | | I do believe animals have emotions, and what's more...self-awareness and intelligence.
Take the corvids for instance - it is the family of birds that includes crows, ravens, jays, and magpies. They hide food for later use and have a remarkable track record of recovering their cached meals. Blue jays have shown themselves superior to monkeys in problem-solving tests. Jays and other covids frequently use tools, and have actually been seen using twigs and leaves to make tools.
They mate for life, and crows are often seen mobbing hawks or owls that threaten their nests. When a crow cries for help (they have 25 different cries), every crow nearby rushes to its aid.
There are also indications that magpies gather for funerals.
Just because they don't speak a human language or have as large of brains, doesn't mean they don't have feelings, emotions, or intelligence.
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It's just another day.... the shame is gone.
It's hard to believe... that I've let it go away.
It's just a melody.... it bleeds in me.
It's hard to believe... that I've let it go. |
2nd January 2004, 12:31 PM
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2nd January 2004, 01:05 PM
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Reps: 562 (power: 0) | | | I don't see feelings as being related to self-awareness. To me it seems like "feelings" are a pretty basic brain function; they motivate an animal to respond to behavior. Self-awareness seems to be a much higher cognitive function. |
2nd January 2004, 04:02 PM
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2nd January 2004, 04:09 PM
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Reps: 27 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by robnewbold Becaue the Word of God is the answer to all things, and it is the guidebook for life.. But since you ask, I had a discussion with a friend a few days ago.
Oh, nonsense. It would take more than 1000 pages to answer everything.
The Bible is not an answer to everything. It just tells you how to live a good life and love Jesus and God and believe in them.
It can even be summarized.
Jesus: I am the son of God, love me and do some other stuff and you will probably go to heaven.
Masses: Okay.
Pharisees: No we will crucify you
Judas: Yeah.
Pontius Pilate: Okay.
Jesus: E-loi, E-loi, la'ma sa-bach'tha-ni?
Pharisees: Yay.
Masses: *Cry*
Peter: I deny you.
Cock: Crew!
Peter: I deny you.
Peter: I deny you.
Cock: Crew!
Peter: *cries*
Mary: Hey the tomb's empty
Jesus: What's wrong with you people, I'm okay, see?
Masses: Yay.
Disciples: Yay.
Jesus: Okay but I have to go now bye.
Disciples: Okay.
Jesus: *Leaves*.
Does that really look like it has the answer to EVERYTHING?
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2nd January 2004, 04:13 PM
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2nd January 2004, 05:23 PM
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Reps: 10,751 (power: 28) | | its not thought that Jellyfish feel pain. So why do they shrink when you kick them?  They must have some negative-sensation... I'd say that was pain.
Plants: They dont feel pain. Well, I hope not... I like picking flowers | | |
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