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23rd December 2003, 05:14 PM
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23rd December 2003, 05:15 PM
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Reps: 69,090 (power: 86) | | | Revelations is obviously speaking figuratively. Luke and Acts only says they are bright. Yet in this case they are clearly named stars.
Now, if believing that the star is an angel has no effect on the literal interpretation, why then would believing that the days in Genesis represent periods of time, harm literal interpretation?
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23rd December 2003, 05:20 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Larry Is there any scripture that specifically refers to the Star of Bethlehem as an angel, or are you just making this up too?
There is no scripture that claims an angel is the Star of Bethlehem.
That is why I asked the question.
The previous post of mine points out some reasons as to why the star could have been an angel.
One question I have is that if it was a star way out in space, how did it shine much brighter than the other stars, how did it go away then re-appear and finally how did it move and stop over the house? Some theories would be interesting. |
23rd December 2003, 05:24 PM
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23rd December 2003, 05:25 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Lotar Revelations is obviously speaking figuratively. Luke and Acts only says they are bright. Yet in this case they are clearly named stars.
Now, if believing that the star is an angel has no effect on the literal interpretation, why then would believing that the days in Genesis represent periods of time, harm literal interpretation?
The answer is simple. YOM is bracketed with the terms evening and morning which lets us know it is a literal day. Also, the ten commandments also tell us the days were literal 24 hours long.
For some extra biblical reading, Barnabus who was an important character in the New Testament tells us the days were also 24 hours long. Because Barnabus wrote that it is obvious that the early Christians understood the days as literal 24 hours llong.
But this day topic is off topic.
I hope that helps. |
23rd December 2003, 05:28 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Larry God did it. That's why.
Hmmmmm, think about it. For got to make a star move so that it travels across the sky, then stop it over the house where Jesus was meant that God had to push the star many light years across the sky. Which I'm ok with.
The problem is that the Theo-Evos seem to have a problem with God moving stars across the sky during the creation period so why allow it in this instance?
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23rd December 2003, 05:29 PM
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Reps: 69,090 (power: 86) | | Originally Posted by Ark Guy The answer is simple. YOM is bracketed with the terms evening and morning which lets us know it is a literal day. Also, the ten commandments also tell us the days were literal 24 hours long.
For some extra biblical reading, Barnabus who was an important character in the New Testament tells us the days were also 24 hours long. Because Barnabus wrote that it is obvious that the early Christians understood the days as literal 24 hours llong.
But this day topic is off topic.
I hope that helps.
But the text in the NT also states that it was a literal star. If you are to take all language literally, you have to consistently, not just where it suits your beliefs.
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23rd December 2003, 07:50 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | | The text surrounding the six days and the usage of the term in other portions of the bible along with early christian writing show us the days were literal.
On the other hand, I have shown verses that clearly show angels have been referred to as stars and that angels can shine brightly. So the literal star, or object could be a literal angel identified as a star.
Of course it really could be a real star way out in space...see my post 16. |
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Reps: 64,647 (power: 108) | | Originally Posted by Ark Guy The answer is simple. YOM is bracketed with the terms evening and morning which lets us know it is a literal day.
Actually, they are a big portion of how we know it's not a literal day, but a rigid structure adopted to make the story easier to remember. There is no "evening" or "morning" before the sun exists. Also, the ten commandments also tell us the days were literal 24 hours long.
No, they don't. For some extra biblical reading, Barnabus who was an important character in the New Testament tells us the days were also 24 hours long. Because Barnabus wrote that it is obvious that the early Christians understood the days as literal 24 hours llong.
It is obvious that many of them believed that, but it is also obvious that, unlike most modern fundamentalists, they thought other aspects of the story were more important.
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Actually, they are a big portion of how we know it's not a literal day, but a rigid structure adopted to make the story easier to remember. There is no "evening" or "morning" before the sun exists
There was light before the sun existed....which would have allowed for an evening and morning...of course you now have to claim that the earth wasn't rotating. | | |
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