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Old 9th April 2014, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Shocker View Post
When the blood moons that fall on Gods high holy days are passed, and everything remains exactly as it does today, then we will know they had no significance.
Nah, somebody will have to invent a Spiritual Event that happened that day, that only the Unco Spiritual can discern.
It's the Emperor's New Clothes scenario, don'tcha see?
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Originally Posted by Shocker View Post
you do realize Christ is returning right??

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Things are going to get very interesting before Christ returns..o
Its a promise..
How does that question relate to the questiin and comments I asked Old Timer? He was talking about the incorruptable seed of Christ. I responded to that in post http://www.christianforums.com/t7815164-9/#post65362156


To answer your question, I don't know of any scripture or epidtle that refers to a still fyture coming to judge the world in damnatiin.

It's already been jydged in GOOD. Those who teach and preach future damnation, gloom and doom, hatred for life, warfare for Israel, etc might be outside the good doctrine and incorrubtable seed and goid intent of life.

I affirm that the verses you quoted wre fulfilled in the first century. Do the greek research to confirm what the greek words translated earth and "then" mean.

Some of these doctrines originated from Ireneouses futurist readings of the epistles; not from the apostles ir Christ.

Did all the tribes of the land witness the cloud formatiins of the roman army over judea in 66-70 AD? Yes, they were present for passover or the feast of tabernacles


Might be taking a break from the circus.


Furthermore, have you studied the topic of hebrew paralellism yet?
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Originally Posted by Notrash View Post
Those who teach and preach future damnation, gloom and doom, hatred for life, warfare for Israel, etc might be outside the good doctrine and incorrubtable seed and goid intent of life.
It's pretty pathetic when people must lie through their teeth in order to present their case.. although it's expected imo.. because most of these scoffers are here for one reason alone..

And it certainly is not to speak the truth.. that's for sure.
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And men can keep their heads buried in the sand as long as they want.. it's not going to change a single thing..

Because that Day is coming...

You've all simply been duped into believing the lie that it already came..

Well, some at least.. for others it's just blatantly intentional.
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Originally Posted by Jipsah View Post
Nah, somebody will have to invent a Spiritual Event that happened that day, that only the Unco Spiritual can discern.
It's the Emperor's New Clothes scenario, don'tcha see?
Ill see when they pass and nothing happens involving Israel.
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Originally Posted by Notrash View Post
I affirm that the verses you quoted wre fulfilled in the first century. Do the greek research to confirm what the greek words translated earth and "then" mean.
Christ hasn't returned yet..


I cant be convinced otherwise, sorry..
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Old 10th April 2014, 03:31 AM
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Shocker said in post 43:

Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Amos 9:15 could refer to what will happen at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11). For Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the taking of the northern kingdom of Israel into captivity (Amos 8:14, Amos 5:27) by the Assyrians in 722 BC. And so Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the southern kingdom of Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians in 586 BC. But Amos 9:14-15 didn't apply to the post-Babylonian Captivity restoration of the Jews to their land in 538 BC, for that restoration was subsequently destroyed by a Roman-empire army in 70 AD. So Amos 9:14-15 doesn't necessarily apply to the subsequent restoration of the Jews to their land in 1948 AD either. This restoration could be destroyed by the Baathists in a future war (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. Jesus will restore the Davidic kingdom of Israel (Luke 1:32b-33, Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11) at his 2nd coming (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21), which will occur immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
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Water Cross said in post 52:

Scripture tells us no man knows the coming of the son of man.
Amen.

Matthew 24:36,42,44 refers to Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:37,42,44), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). So in Matthew 24:42,44, Jesus can mean that only if believers don't watch (stay awake, spiritually) during the tribulation, the 2nd coming will happen at an hour they don't know/think not (cf. the if principle of Revelation 3:3b). In the context of Matthew 24:36,42,44, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4).

Also, Jesus says "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36), he doesn't say "of that day and hour no man will know". So it's possible that at a certain point in our future, some believers will come to know the date (as in the year, month, and day) of the 2nd coming before it happens. Also, if we mistakenly think that Jesus can come today or tomorrow (as is sometimes claimed by the pre-tribulation and symbolicist views), then how can we also claim that he will come when nobody thinks he will (Matthew 24:44)?

Also, compare the following: "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36), "the things of God knoweth no man" (1 Corinthians 2:11). If we claim that the 1st verse means no man will ever know the date of the 2nd coming until it happens, then to be consistent we would have to also claim that the 2nd verse means no man, not even believers, can know the things of God until the 2nd coming. But who would say that? For the Holy Spirit can currently reveal to believers the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13). He can currently guide them into all truth and show them what will happen in the future (John 16:13), including the date of the 2nd coming. For, again, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4). Also, what Amos 3:7 says would include the 2nd coming: Surely God the Father won't send Jesus back without having 1st revealed to some believers the secret of the date of the 2nd coming.

Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in a 3rd Jewish temple (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).
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Forget the futurist stuff here that B2 keeps pumping out, but the unknownness of the final day is correct. and it was expected as early as the end of the Jewish war of 66+ which was the enormous upheaval Jesus was referring to.

Everything seems to have been redrawn after that conflagration. As long as you believe there is a final judgement day coming, regardless of anything going on in Israel, you have the right idea. It frames the need for the Gospel, which is our job. Too much eschatology, especially futurism, is done as though we had no job description as Christians.
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Originally Posted by Notrash View Post
Does the incorruptable seed of Christ continue to promote, advocate, GLORY IN, support and participate in wars and killings when his example & instruction is opposite. ??? As paul instructs the believers in various parts of rome that they were to defer vengeance unto Gids judgemenr FOR CONSCIENCE SAKE. (Because of Christs example)

What would Jesus, who was attacked by the money and religious powers of his day, say to Hagee who was boasting about Israel's nuclear bunker busting prowess? He was threatening Iran from the safety of the pulpit - why doesn't he lose some weight, pick up a rifle and a back-pack and head to the West Bank himself?
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