Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Theology (orthodox Christians only) > Theology (orthodox Christians only) > General Theology
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

General Theology The forum for general theological discussions about issues that do not fit in any other forum, eg. Angelology

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 11th March 2014, 10:40 PM
Regular Member

23 Gender: Male Faith: Baptist Party: US-Republican Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 24th May 2007
Location: California
Posts: 623
Blessings: 1,074,016
Reps: 198,563,541,079,280,960 (power: 198,563,541,079,288)
AmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond repute
AmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond reputeAmericanChristian91 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Setyoufree View Post
It's sin because it's based on selfishness with no commitment.
So are you saying all pre-martial sex is based on selfishness?

I would agree it would if your referring to one night stands (and other kinds of sex where there is little or lack of actual love between those doing it).

But sex between two people who have a long maintained a committed relationship (they do love each other, have not cheated, etc) but happen to not be married, could also be considered "pre-martial sex". But is it really right to say even in that context, this sex is happening just because of selfishness and no commitment?
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #102  
Old 11th March 2014, 10:53 PM
Rhamiel's Avatar
Member of the Round Table

29 Gender: Male Faith: Catholic Country: Vatican City State Member For 5 Years Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 11th November 2006
Location: ohio
Posts: 29,709
Blessings: 96,389,889
My Mood Praying
Blog Entries: 2
Reps: 4,245,832,442,273,079,808 (power: 4,245,832,442,273,117)
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by AmericanChristian91 View Post
So are you saying all pre-martial sex is based on selfishness?

I would agree it would if your referring to one night stands (and other kinds of sex where there is little or lack of actual love between those doing it).

But sex between two people who have a long maintained a committed relationship (they do love each other, have not cheated, etc) but happen to not be married, could also be considered "pre-martial sex". But is it really right to say even in that context, this sex is happening just because of selfishness and no commitment?

I think the idea of a "committed sexual relationship" is kind of a myth

a "committed sexual relationship" is "marriage"
so if people want that without wanting to get married, it is not really honest on their part

I would not say that it is "just selfishness"
sex is something good and a lot of people are confused about the evils of pre-marital sex
__________________
I can do all things through Him who gives me strength

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

St. Raphael, Pray for us
O angel of God, my holy guardian, given to me from heaven, enlighten me this day, and save me from all evil. Instruct me in doing good deeds, and set me on the path of salvation. Amen.
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 11th March 2014, 11:35 PM
rockytopva's Avatar
Love to pray! :)

Gender: Male Faith: Pentecostal Country: United States Member For 3 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 6th March 2011
Location: http://www.youtube.com/rockytopva
Posts: 5,191
Blessings: 377,246,256
Reps: 2,831,310,251,445,734,400 (power: 2,831,310,251,445,743)
rockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond repute
rockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond repute
Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Or at least take a cold shower!
__________________
I am Fundamentalist, Wesleyan, Pre-Millennial, Dispensationalist, Charismatic, Pentecostal...
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My! There are a lot of labels these days!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"Men may call me a knave, a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content..." - John Wesley
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 11th March 2014, 11:39 PM
rockytopva's Avatar
Love to pray! :)

Gender: Male Faith: Pentecostal Country: United States Member For 3 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 6th March 2011
Location: http://www.youtube.com/rockytopva
Posts: 5,191
Blessings: 377,246,256
Reps: 2,831,310,251,445,734,400 (power: 2,831,310,251,445,743)
rockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond repute
rockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond reputerockytopva has a reputation beyond repute
Hebrews 12:15-17

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
__________________
I am Fundamentalist, Wesleyan, Pre-Millennial, Dispensationalist, Charismatic, Pentecostal...
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My! There are a lot of labels these days!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"Men may call me a knave, a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content..." - John Wesley
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 11th March 2014, 11:46 PM
Darth Bagel's Avatar
100% of your daily value of Awesome

27 Gender: Male Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 31st October 2008
Posts: 13,625
Blessings: 30,059,493
Reps: 3,316,105,918,000,497,664 (power: 3,316,105,918,000,516)
Darth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond repute
Darth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond reputeDarth Bagel has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Rhamiel View Post
I think the idea of a "committed sexual relationship" is kind of a myth

a "committed sexual relationship" is "marriage"
so if people want that without wanting to get married, it is not really honest on their part

I would not say that it is "just selfishness"
sex is something good and a lot of people are confused about the evils of pre-marital sex
Well, to be fair he didn't really call it a "committed sexual relationship", but simply a "committed relationship". To me this implies the relationship has the depth and breadth of a marriage and it's not centered around sex. I've known people before who had objections to the institution of marriage but their relationship was just as good—and in some cases better—than most marriages I've seen.

That's not to say I agree with the aforementioned "objections", but I didn't question their commitment to each other any more than I would that of a couple in a healthy marriage.

I guess what I'm saying is what some would consider "pre-marital sex" could in fact be similar in every way to that what a married couple feel and experience.

Food for thought.
__________________
Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation. -Walter Cronkite


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 12th March 2014, 12:05 AM
Rhamiel's Avatar
Member of the Round Table

29 Gender: Male Faith: Catholic Country: Vatican City State Member For 5 Years Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 11th November 2006
Location: ohio
Posts: 29,709
Blessings: 96,389,889
My Mood Praying
Blog Entries: 2
Reps: 4,245,832,442,273,079,808 (power: 4,245,832,442,273,117)
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Cogent View Post
Well, to be fair he didn't really call it a "committed sexual relationship", but simply a "committed relationship". To me this implies the relationship has the depth and breadth of a marriage and it's not centered around sex. I've known people before who had objections to the institution of marriage but their relationship was just as good—and in some cases better—than most marriages I've seen.

That's not to say I agree with the aforementioned "objections", but I didn't question their commitment to each other any more than I would that of a couple in a healthy marriage.

I guess what I'm saying is what some would consider "pre-marital sex" could in fact be similar in every way to that what a married couple feel and experience.

Food for thought.
I think that my its very nature, a relationship between two unmarried people will not be the same as the relationship between two married people

(for the sake of argument I am assuming all parties in both scenarios are Christians)

Marriage is a Sacrament, God gives His grace to married couples

and people are not really "committed" if they are not married
marriage IS the commitment
__________________
I can do all things through Him who gives me strength

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

St. Raphael, Pray for us
O angel of God, my holy guardian, given to me from heaven, enlighten me this day, and save me from all evil. Instruct me in doing good deeds, and set me on the path of salvation. Amen.
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 12th March 2014, 12:40 AM
Sayre's Avatar
Veteran

Gender: Female Faith: Atheist
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 21st September 2013
Posts: 2,542
Blessings: 1,041,806
My Mood FootMouth
Reps: 191,265,892,063,876,832 (power: 191,265,892,063,879)
Sayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond repute
Sayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Rhamiel View Post
Marriage is a Sacrament, God gives His grace to married couples

and people are not really "committed" if they are not married
marriage IS the commitment
Right - so if people commit, regardless of whether it is done formally or informally, in full view of their church, family and society, then I consider them married.

At what point does God give grace to those married? When is the sacrament applied? There was no ceremony for A&E, so when did they become married and thus blessed through that sacrament?

Blessings
__________________
Be merciful to those who doubt - Jude 22
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 12th March 2014, 12:44 AM
Rhamiel's Avatar
Member of the Round Table

29 Gender: Male Faith: Catholic Country: Vatican City State Member For 5 Years Tentmaker
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 11th November 2006
Location: ohio
Posts: 29,709
Blessings: 96,389,889
My Mood Praying
Blog Entries: 2
Reps: 4,245,832,442,273,079,808 (power: 4,245,832,442,273,117)
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Rhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond reputeRhamiel has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Sayre View Post
Right - so if people commit, regardless of whether it is done formally or informally, in full view of their church, family and society, then I consider them married.

At what point does God give grace to those married? When is the sacrament applied? There was no ceremony for A&E, so when did they become married and thus blessed through that sacrament?

Blessings
well I do not think Adam and Eve had a Sacramental Marriage, that was only after Christianity started
they had a natural marriage

I hate to make you go back, but my first comment on this thread, a few pages back, was a lot more in-depth
__________________
I can do all things through Him who gives me strength

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

St. Raphael, Pray for us
O angel of God, my holy guardian, given to me from heaven, enlighten me this day, and save me from all evil. Instruct me in doing good deeds, and set me on the path of salvation. Amen.
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 12th March 2014, 01:46 AM
Radagast's Avatar
Christian mathematician

51 Gender: Male Faith: Christian Country: Australia Member For 5 Years Fisherman
 
Join Date: 10th December 2003
Posts: 7,845
Blessings: 812,510
My Mood Praying
Reps: 555,202,709,412,633,664 (power: 555,202,709,412,651)
Radagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond repute
Radagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond reputeRadagast has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Sayre View Post
Right - so if people commit, regardless of whether it is done formally or informally
An "informal commitment" is like an unsigned contract; it is no commitment at all. Both parties know the arrangement can be terminated at any time without penalty.
__________________
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God (Colossians 3:16)
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 12th March 2014, 01:58 AM
Sayre's Avatar
Veteran

Gender: Female Faith: Atheist
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 21st September 2013
Posts: 2,542
Blessings: 1,041,806
My Mood FootMouth
Reps: 191,265,892,063,876,832 (power: 191,265,892,063,879)
Sayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond repute
Sayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond reputeSayre has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
An "informal commitment" is like an unsigned contract; it is no commitment at all. Both parties know the arrangement can be terminated at any time without penalty.
I don't agree - I've seen many couples live in a relationship their entire lives without marriage, and their commitment is very much real.

You don't need a piece of paper from the government to have commitment. You don't need to throw a morning tea at church either. You just need commitment, in public and in private.
__________________
Be merciful to those who doubt - Jude 22
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to General Theology

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:32 AM.