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Is Holiness Possible Without Yeshua

4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. 6 “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. 7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Deut.6:4-9 NKJV
In the Temple there was the Holy of Holies, the Inner Court and the Outer Court. The B'riyt HaHhadashah (Brit Chadash) implies that Messianic Judaism Believers now have direct access to the Holy of Hollies.

44 For I am Yahweh your God, so you must consecrate yourselves and be holy because I am holy. You must not defile yourselves by any swarming creature that crawls on the ground. 45 For I am Yahweh, who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God, so you must be holy because I am holy. Lev. 11:44-45 HCSB
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. 1 Cor. 6:19-20 NKJV
Is Messianic Judaism of one mind that true Holiness is only attainable with the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit and that the keeping of the Ten Commandments is only possible with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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Nope.

Jesus Christ is the LORD, and no righteousness can be attained apart from the LORD.
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Originally Posted by Lion King View Post
Nope.

Jesus Christ is the LORD, and no righteousness can be attained apart from the LORD.
Such a Bold Lion. Where were you when Christians were being fed to your ancestors.

Weren't Noah, Job, Abraham and others considered righteous in the Tanakh. Was righteousness equated as Holiness before Yeshua's atonement for our sins? If so then why not now?

Is a Christian even allowed to offer any insightful teaching in this Messianic Judaism forum? If not then why did you take it upon yourself to become a spokesperson for Messianic Judaism's view on Holiness (just a thought )
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Originally Posted by AbbaLove View Post
In the Temple there was the Holy of Holies, the Inner Court and the Outer Court. The B'riyt HaHhadashah (Brit Chadash) implies that Messianic Judaism Believers now have direct access to the Holy of Hollies.

Is Messianic Judaism of one mind that true Holiness is only attainable with the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit and that the keeping of the Ten Commandments is only possible with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
It is something I can agree with.
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Originally Posted by Lion King View Post
Nope.

Jesus Christ is the LORD, and no righteousness can be attained apart from the LORD.
And the depth of what is said, is not enough to truly understand, that it is in agreement with OP,
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Originally Posted by AbbaLove View Post
Such a Bold Lion. Where were you when Christians were being fed to your ancestors.

Weren't Noah, Job, Abraham and others considered righteous in the Tanakh. Was righteousness equated as Holiness before Yeshua's atonement for our sins? If so then why not now?
I always thought holiness and righteousness were the same thing. That's why I substituted holiness for righteousness in my original post.

Is a Christian even allowed to offer any insightful teaching in this Messianic Judaism forum? If not then why did you take it upon yourself to become a spokesperson for Messianic Judaism's view on Holiness (just a thought )
Unless I am mistaken, but isn't this a discussion forum where all who abide by the rules are allowed to offer their own perspective on the matter?

Have I become the spokesman for MJs because I was first to respond?



*note to self* don't be the first to respond to any of Abbalove threads.
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Originally Posted by Lion King View Post
Unless I am mistaken, but isn't this a discussion forum where all who abide by the rules are allowed to offer their own perspective on the matter?

Have I become the spokesman for MJs because I was first to respond?

*note to self* don't be the first to respond to any of Abbalove threads.
Both of you are not carrying the correct icons.
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It is something I can agree with.
Yet, it seems there are Spirit-filled Christians that find it impossible to keep the Ten Commandments (or don't think they need to keep them). Does any one know of any Messianic Jew that professes to keeping all Ten Commandments or is it a given that it's humanly impossible, thus the reason for Yom Kippur.

The Question Begs: Are Messianic Jews Holier than non-Torah Christians in that Messianic Jews at least strive to follow as many commandments as possible? What to you is a life style of true Messianic Holiness that may differ from mainstream Christianity?
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Both of you are not carrying the correct icons.
Aren't MJs considered as Christians?
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Originally Posted by AbbaLove View Post
Yet, it seems there are Spirit-filled Christians that find it impossible to keep the Ten Commandments (or don't think they need to keep them). Does any one know of any Messianic Jew that professes to keeping all Ten Commandments or is it a given that it's humanly impossible, thus the reason for Yom Kippur.

The Question Begs: Are Messianic Jews Holier than non-Torah Christians in that Messianic Jews at least strive to follow as many commandments as possible? What to you is a life style of true Messianic Holiness that may differ from mainstream Christianity?
"Peculiar people" comes to mind.
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