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So you want to own the Church?

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By Andrew M. Haines | December 29, 2013



Thomas Peters wrote recently that “the soul of [the Franciscan] papacy is up for grabs.” If that’s true, it’s a gambit long in the making, but perhaps only recently matured enough to identify. With the middle clearing fast, and with “dissenting Catholics” poised to snag leadership of both Christianity’s evangelical and spiritual traditions, the “soul of the papacy” proxies for something far greater—namely, possession of the Church herself.

While much truth shines through Peters’s claim, the ultimatum suggested is misleading. We should always, of course, “put our money where our mouth is [...] show our compassion for the poor with concrete acts [...] show how much we care that we are catholic and how much that reality forms who we are and inspires what we do.” As Peters says, “That’s the choice we face in 2014 and always.” And there’s nothing to quibble with, here.

But that somehow the perennial Christian struggle includes laying claim to the Church itself is, I think, more than a bit alarming. In fact, the very idea that someone should “own” the Church stands at odds with Francis’s entire program. I can’t help but wonder if the realization proposed above is really just another manifestation of the abiding urge to remove the Bishop of Rome from the mix once and for all. Francis has been thoroughly assimilated by those for whom toleration is the highest virtue; he has also been roundly rejected by those who praise fierce competition as the cornerstone of prosperity. In a word, the Holy Father has been reduced to a non-factor by those who pay most attention to him. And to the unaffected middle, such a triumph has been communicated on the cover of TIME.




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Unread 31st December 2013, 12:21 AM
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I liked the article by Thomas Peters.

If the article you quoted was from Newsmax, I have no desire to participate in their poll. I'm not even sure what that author is getting at, first highlighting the Good Things about the pope, and then is he saying there is dissent? Or is he saying there *should* be dissent?

In the last few sentences it just goes weird and I can't tell what it's supposed to be claiming, or if it's pro-Francis, anti-Francis, or neither. If someone can untangle that last part maybe I'd have an opinion. If I can't figure out what they're saying, then I don't care whether they have my vote or not; their opinion of my opinion of my pope doesn't even budge the needle on my give-a-care meter.

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Originally Posted by AlanFromWichita View Post
I liked the article by Thomas Peters.

If the article you quoted was from Newsmax, I have no desire to participate in their poll. I'm not even sure what that author is getting at, first highlighting the Good Things about the pope, and then is he saying there is dissent? Or is he saying there *should* be dissent?

In the last few sentences it just goes weird and I can't tell what it's supposed to be claiming, or if it's pro-Francis, anti-Francis, or neither. If someone can untangle that last part maybe I'd have an opinion. If I can't figure out what they're saying, then I don't care whether they have my vote or not; their opinion of my opinion of my pope doesn't even budge the needle on my give-a-care meter.

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Where is the Newsmax poll?
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Where is the Newsmax poll?
Good question.

Hmmm....
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Originally Posted by AlanFromWichita View Post
Good question.

Hmmm....
I have no idea where you got Newsmax from.
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