What do I do?

notto....just what planet are you from?

Anti-God Evolution is force fed to us.

So, have you read Origin of a Species yet? What parts of it are anti-God? Are the parts where Darwin discusses the Creator the anti-God parts or where he discussess the gloriousness of the Creators creation?

Why should evolution (biology) be approached any differently than any other subject in school which is approached by teaching the most widely accepted, peer reviewed, and supported theories and evidence.

If this is what you mean by 'force fed', then I guess all of science is 'force fed' to us. Strange definition of force fed though. Not sure what you think school and education should do if not to 'force feed' us the best information available at the time.

Ark Guy, your hostility and anger speak more then your sentances. You seem to be afraid of something. A scientific theory? Maybe not. More likely the idea that your world view could possibly be incorrect. IF you were so confident, then why such a nasty reaction to any challengers?

ANd when you say "true beleivers" I assume that you mean only christians who would agree with your literal interpretation of Genesis. I agree, a poll of many christians on the evolution question would be helpfull. BUt I am concerned that you would automatically call any christians who accept evolution as not being true believers.

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What part is anti-God?

Well the part that says God what not required...duh.

Or can you show me a public school text book that says God was behind the formation of the universe, formation of the planet, abiogenesis and the director behind the making of man from primitive life.

Now if you can't, then hush up.

It is a known fact that evolution is anti-God and shoved down our throats.

Darwin didn't think that God was not required or that evolutionary theory states this.. I don't think that God was not required or that evolutionary theory states this. That would seem to falsify your statement that it is anti-God.

It is comments like yours that can damage the faith of people like the opening poster as they learn what evolutionary theory really is and what good science is. If you keep telling them that to accept evolution is to reject God, then you will most likely leave them only one intellectually honest way to go - they will reject God.


Can you show us a text book that says that God is not required? Can you show me a public school text book that says God was NOT behind the formation of the universe, the formation of the planet, abiogenesis and the director behind making of man from primitive life?

Now, if you can't, then hush up.

The theory of evolution describes what is, not what should be and not any spiritual connection, causation by a deity, etc.

Is the theory of planetary motion 'shoved down our throats' because the textbooks don't say that God is pushing the planets along and created them all?

Again, why should biology be any different than any other subject which simply teaches the best scientific theories and explainations for observed phenomena?

Should we be teaching that God is responsible for each hurricane and lighting bolt as well? If we don't, does that mean that meteorology is being 'shoved down our throats'?

You should read Darwin. He obviously did not think that evolution was anti-God. There are many scientists and Christians who do not think it is anti-God or that it dictates that God is not required. It is simply one of dozens of scientific theories that describe the creation and how the creation operates.

I don't really care what Darwin thinks.

I care what evolution says, and how they say it. Currently evolution says there is no need for a God and this view is shoved down our throats.

Let me ask you this, do you believe in Intelligent design ? Behe style? or are you in the camp of the other 99% of evolutionist who argue against Behe claiming God had no part in evolution?

Where does eovlution currently say there is no need for a God? Please be specific?

I don't accept Inteligent Design as a scientific model because it lacks any substantial predictive power or repeatability in experimentation (you can't put God in a test tube).

Can you show us where your 99% figure comes from? I wasn't aware that the criticism against Behe was arguing that God had no part in evolution. I certainly haven't seen that criticism. I believe the arguents against ID from a scientific perspective are because it is poor science and does nothing to further scientific discovery because again, you can't put God in a test tube.

Do you have a reference that suggests that the criticisms of ID coming from scientists are based on the belief that God had no part in evolution? Please be specific.

Of course, I'm not sure why you ask because you would of course still have the same opinion of me regardless of if I am a theo/evo or an old earth ID proponent. Am I right in this assumption?

Ark Guy, I have asked you on a previous thread a couple of months back to show any scientific theory that requires God. And I am asking you again.

Are there any scientific theories of any kind that require God?
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Just because a scientific theory does not require God, how does that make it anti-God?

There is a scientific theory as to why the sky is blue, it is called Rayleigh Scattering (of light). Now the properties of light are well understood and even employed in everyday technology. SO the theory of Rayleigh Scattering is well supported (it IS still a theory, however). Now, the theory of Rayleigh Scattering does not require God in any way shape or form. Does this mean that it is anti-God? Does this mean that it is wrong? Perhaps the color of the sky has nothing to do with scattered light waves, they are not mentioned in the bible, and the theory does not mention God. THerefore, it must be wrong?

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In the bible God said he did it.

In the science books it says God didn't.

Is this really too much of a concept for you guys to grasp?

Please please please show me a science book - any text book - that specifically says God didn't do it (whether is it evolution or geology or blue sky making or whatever).

There is NO SUCH THING as a scientific theory that says there is no God.

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