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Remembering JFK

On November 22,1963, President John F. Kennedy was cut down by an assassin's bullets. He had been on his way to deliver a speech that ended with these words: "We in this country, in this generation, are--by destiny rather than choice--the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of peace on earth, goodwill toward men. That must always be our goal...For as was written long ago, 'Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.'"
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Bobby would have been a great president too. And John Kennedy Jr.
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The Irish in Boston knew they arrived the night John Kennedy was elected. My mother and father spoke of how everyone stayed up all night, some cried when he was elected.

Here is the Boston garden on election evening. it was packed.




The day he was assassinated, I was a very young kid. I remember my Father came home from work early. The Union on hearing of the assassination , sent workers home. I was confused at my Mother crying when she heard the news.

JFK made a deep impression on me. He set an example for us, that we could be achieve greatness. he was one of us.
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There is a cohort of people in Ireland who almost bow their heads when JFK is mentioned.

Sure he was of Irish extraction and was a celebrity President.

But lets face it. He took his Catholicism with a shovel full of salt. He had the morals of an alleycat and showed massive disrespect to his wife and children with his philandeing. He was very slow to embrace Ciivl rights in the South and has a less than upstanding record on Vietnam.

As for Ireland? What did he do to promote unification in his 1,000 days in Office? Naff all is the answer.

I see Eastcoast says he was 'one of us'. How many of 'you' was born with a silver ladel in your mouth, went to Harvard, had a meglomaniac father who pulled strings for you to climb up the political greasy pole and had a harem of women on tap while you were supposedly a loyal husband and father?

His assassination was a tragedy of course and a direct attack on American democracy...
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JFK was an Irish Cartholic - so that's what eastcoast meant.

And - JFK was a sinner - like all of us.

Now, i liked JFK - my dad pounded that into me. He opened up new heights for Catholics and Irish in the political world.

As for his sins - thank goodness for priests and the sacrament.
However; its a shame scandals surrounded his life. If only...
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Originally Posted by WarriorAngel View Post
JFK was an Irish Cartholic - so that's what eastcoast meant.

And - JFK was a sinner - like all of us.

Now, i liked JFK - my dad pounded that into me. He opened up new heights for Catholics and Irish in the political world.

As for his sins - thank goodness for priests and the sacrament.
However; its a shame scandals surrounded his life. If only...
Like I never sinned, right???

JFK was a flawed human being who cared little for his wife and had massive mysoginistic tendancies. Harold McMillan once quoted JFK in a memoir saying that if he didn't have a different woman each day he'd get an intolerable headache.

Did nothing for Ireland as he never wished to upset the British.

He continually disrespected his religious background and was about as Blue Collar Irish as Lord Fontelroy.

That being said his assassination was a tragedy for his family and followers...
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Originally Posted by S.ilvio View Post
Like I never sinned, right???

JFK was a flawed human being who cared little for his wife and had massive mysoginistic tendancies. Harold McMillain once quoted JFK in a memoir saying that if he didn't have a different woman each day he'd get an intolerable headache.

Did nothing for Ireland as he never weished to puset the British.

He continually disrespected his religious background and was about as Blue Collar Irish as Lord Fontelroy.

That being said his assassination was a tragedy for his family and followers...
I cant speak for the man. I didnt know his heart.
From the exterior we all look horrendous.

And... since his death - and him not being around to deny any allegations - all kinds of things can be said about him. I dont doubt rumor mills and wagging tongues who need an audience - get a lot of coverage.

After all - it gives them 15 minutes of fame to speak out.
Now, maybe he did those things - i dont know.
His wife never said he mistreated her. ..to my knowledge.

But in America - he set the way for Catholics to be in the political sphere.
And at one time - my Irish friend - the Irish were enslaved in America. Many dont know that. Many dont know the prejudices they had to fight to be given respect.

So, in Ireland - maybe he didnt 'go to bat for you...'
But here - where Catholicism and Catholics arent trusted - he did a good thing.

Its a cultural thing, i guess.
One you cannot understand unless you lived it.

He was the first Catholic. He never once made statements contrary to the faith. He didnt lead others into heresies like so many Catholics in politics do now. [Pelosi - Biden - to name a few]

I have books about his life - to be honest i got from my dad's death. I havent read them. I gather they are persuasive towards liking him. He was faithful in modelship - even if his heart may have carried desires. He didnt publickly scandalize.

NOW - all reports afterwards may have caused scandals - but no one knows if they are the honest details or just rumor mills. Since the man can no longer defend himself.

This is where the expression came from - [or partly] not to speak ill of the dead - because there is no one to defend them and they cant speak - so causing scandals on them - is pretty nasty to do.

IF he were alive and could deny these things - give alibi's against them... then thats one thing. To speak ill of a dead person - who could be wronged - is really something i think pl need to take more prudence of.

NOW - if he got on tv and predicted future events and made public claims - we would know what he said and done. [which he didnt] - but even if he did - we have hope he recanted them before passing. Like i hope Sylvia Brown did.

Meantime - speculation publickly that may be wrong - becomes our own sin - when we speak of things no one knows about - but treat them as solid gold evidence.
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Originally Posted by S.ilvio View Post
Like I never sinned, right???

JFK was a flawed human being who cared little for his wife and had massive mysoginistic tendancies. Harold McMillan once quoted JFK in a memoir saying that if he didn't have a different woman each day he'd get an intolerable headache.

Did nothing for Ireland as he never wished to upset the British.

He continually disrespected his religious background and was about as Blue Collar Irish as Lord Fontelroy.

That being said his assassination was a tragedy for his family and followers...


I like how you excoriate another human being and then add as almost an afterthought.

That being said his assassination was a tragedy for his family and followers
Now that being said, I am sure deep down you have a a shred of humanity underneath your bitterness.
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