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Washington Times: Obama's plan is to destroy America's private health care industry

"Obamacare is doomed to fail eventually, not because of a website failure, but rather because the law itself is internally contradictory and in violation of the fundamental laws of economics, the hallmark of all grandiose schemes of central planning and government control. In the process of failing, Obamacare will destroy not only the individual health insurance market (which there is now little doubt was an integral and intentional design objective of the measure), but also eventually eliminate the employer group health insurance market as well, which will doom Obamacare as we know it."

Read more: HUNTER: His plan is to destroy America's private health care industry - Washington Times
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"Obamacare is doomed to fail eventually, not because of a website failure, but rather because the law itself is internally contradictory and in violation of the fundamental laws of economics, the hallmark of all grandiose schemes of central planning and government control. In the process of failing, Obamacare will destroy not only the individual health insurance market (which there is now little doubt was an integral and intentional design objective of the measure), but also eventually eliminate the employer group health insurance market as well, which will doom Obamacare as we know it."

Read more: HUNTER: His plan is to destroy America's private health care industry - Washington Times
That individual's opinion aside....If there are problems with the ideas behind the ACA, perhaps it would be best to blame that on the ones who came up with those ideas.

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Nice curve ball, but regardless of the origin of the idea, it was the Democrats who wrote the Affordable Care Act, and it was the Democratic Congress, Senate, and President that made it into law.

But your attempts to credit the GOP with the origin of Obamacare makes me wonder about what you are thinking. Do you think the ACA is so bad that you want to blame the GOP too? Why are you so afraid of giving the Democrats credit for the ACA if you think the ACA is a good piece of legislation?
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Originally Posted by A2SG View Post
That individual's opinion aside....If there are problems with the ideas behind the ACA, perhaps it would be best to blame that on the ones who came up with those ideas.

-- A2SG, just sayin'....
So, none of the blame goes to people who were actually, you know, responsible for passing the law?



Or signing it?

It say that if lawmakers draft a poor law and vote for a poor law, and the president signs a poor law, it is the lawmakers who passed it, and the president who signed it who bear responsibility for the outcome.
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Originally Posted by Jeffwhosoever View Post
Nice curve ball, but regardless of the origin of the idea, it was the Democrats who wrote the Affordable Care Act, and it was the Democratic Congress, Senate, and President that made it into law.
Yup. But if you want to criticize the economic ideas behind the law, then you need to go to the source of those ideas.

And those were conservative ideas, market based and geared toward private industry working to solve all the problems of society.

Kinda doomed to failure from the start, huh?

But your attempts to credit the GOP with the origin of Obamacare makes me wonder about what you are thinking. Do you think the ACA is so bad that you want to blame the GOP too? Why are you so afraid of giving the Democrats credit for the ACA if you think the ACA is a good piece of legislation?
I live in Massachusetts, don't forget. I know full well the problems this plan creates. I disagreed with the idea when Mitt Romney was governor of Mass, and I disagreed with them when President Obama and the democrats accepted them from the GOP. But, at least Mitt allowed for a public option, something the federal plan sorely needs.

The thing is, there are some good parts of the ACA, most dealing with insurance reform, and there are few industries more in need of reform than private health insurance!

-- A2SG, and those reforms are VERY popular with Americans....
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So, none of the blame goes to people who were actually, you know, responsible for passing the law?



Or signing it?
Politicians today don't write laws, lobbyists do.

Politicians can, and should, be blamed for accepting those ideas and passing them into law. But, as I said, if you want to criticize the ideas behind the law, then you need to go to the source of those ideas.

In the case of the ACA, that would be the Heritage Foundation.

It say that if lawmakers draft a poor law and vote for a poor law, and the president signs a poor law, it is the lawmakers who passed it, and the president who signed it who bear responsibility for the outcome.
Yup. But the opinion piece criticized the economic IDEAS behind the law, and those IDEAS came from conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation. It is a conservative market-based plan to solve the problems of health care.

Part of the reason Mass. has less problem with it is the insurance carriers here are all non-profits (who still manage to show a ton of profit nevertheless), and don't carry the economic clout the private, for-profit health insurance industry does.

-- A2SG, we still got health insurance company hissy fits, but they didn't have the same national impact, especially because of MassHealth.....
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Originally Posted by A2SG View Post
That individual's opinion aside....If there are problems with the ideas behind the ACA, perhaps it would be best to blame that on the ones who came up with those ideas.

-- A2SG, just sayin'....
That doesn't flow logically. If you implement a bad idea, even if it is someone else's, that is your personal oversight.
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Originally Posted by Vylo View Post
That doesn't flow logically. If you implement a bad idea, even if it is someone else's, that is your personal oversight.
If you don't like a book, do you blame the publisher?

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Obama and the people who voted in favor of the ACA are holding an economic gun up to our collective temples and forcing us to buy a private product.

I actually hope it fails, because it will mean that the two heads of the Hydra (big government and big business) will be seperated a bit for a change.
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That doesn't flow logically.
You need to remember all of this as2g is posting is propaganda and misdirection, meant to divert attention away from the actual issue. OBAMACARE is an unmitigated disaster, and as stated in the article an intentional one crafted to destroy the private health care system.

Neither the Heritage Foundation nor any Republican back in 1993 ever had that in mind.

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