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Old 4th November 2013, 05:13 PM
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Do demons have legal rights over us?

I hear this a lot, that we can give demons legal rights to inhabit us through various means. Is that true and scriptural?

I mean Jesus set us free did He not? I thought He defeated Satan on the cross and paid for us by His own blood so we would not be subject to Satan any longer.

What do you think?
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Old 4th November 2013, 05:19 PM
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Old 4th November 2013, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by YahwehElShaddai View Post
I hear this a lot, that we can give demons legal rights to inhabit us through various means. Is that true and scriptural?

I mean Jesus set us free did He not? I thought He defeated Satan on the cross and paid for us by His own blood so we would not be subject to Satan any longer.

What do you think?

There are certain spiritual principles that determine the way things work in Heaven and in Hell, with God and with Satan. Some people like to think of these principles as "legal" laws that have been set forth.

Like say, this one: "Unless a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven."

Is this a law that God is legally required to uphold? Eh... I suppose you could think of it as such, but then it gives off the wrong impression about how God might be subject to some mystical legal system that He doesn't control.

In the same way, Satan's kingdom works according to certain principles that we can learn and avoid. They aren't actually laws like the ones that "The king of the Meades and the Persians has set in place, and which he himself cannot break." They are simply the way things work.


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Old 4th November 2013, 05:57 PM
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Faulty nailed it.

To his own Master will each man stand or fall.
I was bought with a very great price, and while
the beasts may prowl like roaring lions, they cannot
prevail against the Lion Who guards me and defends me.
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Old 4th November 2013, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ajax 777 View Post
Faulty nailed it.

To his own Master will each man stand or fall.
I was bought with a very great price, and while
the beasts may prowl like roaring lions, they cannot
prevail against the Lion Who guards me and defends me.

Well, I think that idolatry makes room for a special provision in God's protection. Just like the way that fornication can make a believer "one flesh" with a prostitute, falling in love with another god can cause strings to be attached with them.

Possession/demonic oppression could be the result of an idolatry 'love affair" with a spirit. In which case, God's claim over our lives is erm... legally limited by our choosing to join with another.
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Old 4th November 2013, 07:18 PM
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Well, Tobias, one can say the same for apostasy and potentially a number of other sins. I wasn't arguing from the multitude of hypothetical viewpoints, I was speaking from that of a sanctified and obedient faithful believer.

But even then, in your aforementioned scenarios, the demons such wayward souls have made company with cannot lawfully deny that soul's right to return to the Lord, although they most certainly would be likely to hinder him or her as much as they could.

The Lord's own words: "Behold, all souls on earth are Mine." That doesn't mean that He will own them all at the judgment, as we know better, but souls are His to redeem or His to disown and destroy.
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He has no legal rights, just read col 2:14-15, it talks of sin debt, and transgressions, all legal wordage, and how the cross defeated him, but he can still mess with us, there are passages that show this, eph 6, 2 cor 2, 2 cor 12, 1 Thess 3, etc, so it is an already but not yet kind of thing, we have the victory certainly, legally, but in this half way house, we can be attacked.
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Satan can not controll us unless we give him permission, meaning we have turned back to sin, are again enslaved to sin, and if you die in that sin will go to hell.

Satan only has legal rights over us if we are not children of God.
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Is this a law that God is legally required to uphold? Eh... I suppose you could think of it as such, but then it gives off the wrong impression about how God might be subject to some mystical legal system that He doesn't control.
This is an important point, btw, regarding God and His morality and laws.

Let me give an example:

Everyone knows how the US government has classified information: Confident, Secret, Top Secret.

The president of the United States is legally the Original Classification Authority of all classified information. He is the top person who says what's classified and what's not, and other "delegated" classification authorities (such as the Director of the CIA) can only classify information within the president's guidelines.

What the president says is classified, is classified. What the president says is not classified is not classified.

Moreover, it's impossible for the president to "leak" classified information, because whatever previously classified information the president releases to the public instantly becomes unclassified the moment he speaks it publicly.

This happened several times during my time in the military. The president would say something in a news conference that revealed classified information, and the very next day we were "correcting" all our documents to reflect the fact that that bit of information was no longer classified.

So, God is the "original moral authority." God is not subject to some higher moral authority. As the original moral authority, God cannot do anything immoral because whatever God does is moral because it's God who does it.
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Satan can not controll us unless we give him permission, meaning we have turned back to sin, are again enslaved to sin, and if you die in that sin will go to hell.

Satan only has legal rights over us if we are not children of God.
You can't give him that right either. If you have been bought then you are not your own. You have no legal rights over yourself to give to another and you cannot buy yourself back from God as you have no way to make sufficient payment.
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