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Daily Prayers for Orthodox Christians

My copy of this book arrived today, and I am a little intimidated! Morning prayers are 20 pages long. There are of course many prayers that make up these morning prayers (Prayer to the Most Holy Mother of God, Prayer to the Guardian Angel of Human Life, two prayers to St Basil the Great, five prayers to St Macarius the Great etc), but am I right in thinking that these are all said together?

The Prayer Rule of St Seraphim of Sarov seems a little more achievable at this stage.
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Only 20 pages? Is Outrage!

But seriously, like already, start with what seems achievable and go from there. For most of us that's probably around 10 minutes tops in the morning
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St. John Chrysostom says "Whether or not our prayer is heard depends not on the number of our words, but on the fervor of our souls." Pick the prayers that you can really pray, and be consistent with them. That is much better for you than trying to read all of them halfheartedly and failing because of difficulty.
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It all depends on where you are and what your priest recommends. My family uses the HTM prayer book at our SF's direction, and the morning prayers in that one take less than 10 minutes. But my own rule doesn't precisely follow the exact flow of any particular book. Books are just ink on paper. No matter how much or how little a book may have, it is following our priest's advice that is important, as well as keeping him informed with how we're doing.

And no matter how it may seem sometimes, our priests are usually not clairvoyant. As a result, they may not know exactly what rule is going to work the best at first. So they'll often start us with something to see how we do. If it is too much, we shouldn't despair, but instead confess that it is too difficult to bear. And if it is too little, we shouldn't be prideful thinking that we have achieved something great, but instead confess that the prayers are very easy. So prayer rules often go through periods of fine tuning, regardless of what our priest may give us at first.
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20 pages long - around 15-20minutes. But for me, its hard to read it everyday due my lazy nature.
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Originally Posted by Nickolai View Post
St. John Chrysostom says "Whether or not our prayer is heard depends not on the number of our words, but on the fervor of our souls." Pick the prayers that you can really pray, and be consistent with them. That is much better for you than trying to read all of them halfheartedly and failing because of difficulty.
So true....

I had this for awhile when I was trying to pray without having things such as an Orthodox Prayer Book and only having access to books with select prayers from the Desert Fathers as well as tracts/pamphlets I had from going to Orthodox Parishes - with me feeling inferior due to how it seemed that the prayers from the pamphlets that were given in introduction for daily practice were ones I could practice daily and that I appreciated.....and yet it didn't seem in-depth enough. And after coming across in-depth material, I felt pressure to pray that daily - yet I realized that my heart was judging things based more on quantity than on quality .....with the desire to challenge myself taking the place of desire to simply pray and know that the Lord is concerned with the heart (Luke 18)
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do what you can. quality is better than quantity. remember the prayer that justified the Publican was only one small sentence.
Sometimes it seems the focus on quality is equated with "How long?" as a barometer for effectiveness...
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Sometimes it seems the focus on quality is equated with "How long?" as a barometer for effectiveness...
haha, yeah that be true unfortunately
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