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Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
Just because Colbert said it doesn't always mean its true. Reality tends to be more neutral than liberal actually. Sometimes I feel the Democrats and progressives can get away with a lot of questionable stuff and no one calls them out on it.
Somethings are not alway true, however in general that statement is pretty much true.
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Originally Posted by JoyJuice View Post
Somethings are not alway true, however in general that statement is pretty much true.
You know some of the renewable energy sources they have been boasting about people seem to not to take note of the fact how actually environmentally destructive those practices can be. Wind farms and solar panels actually have a lot of drawbacks their supporters tend to fail to mention.

Or the fact that Planned Parenthood seems to be in the pockets of so many Democratic politicians. That they even relied on them to bully Komen into making them fun them again. Or the fact that Planned Parenthood knows about a lot of clinic safety hazards but tend to ignore it.
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Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
You know some of the renewable energy sources they have been boasting about people seem to not to take note of the fact how actually environmentally destructive those practices can be. Wind farms and solar panels actually have a lot of drawbacks their supporters tend to fail to mention.
All sources of power has drawbacks. No one is saying they don't. However, when it comes to any truth of such things that are destroying the environment, what group is going to give you that truth? The enviromentalists probably. And they tend to consist of what? Liberals or Conservatives?

Or the fact that Planned Parenthood seems to be in the pockets of so many Democratic politicians. That they even relied on them to bully Komen into making them fun them again. Or the fact that Planned Parenthood knows about a lot of clinic safety hazards but tend to ignore it.
I think is quite understood PP lobbys those who support them, just like any other organization.
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Originally Posted by JoyJuice View Post
All sources of power has drawbacks. No one is saying they don't. However, when it comes to any truth of such things that are destroying the environment, what group is going to give you that truth? The enviromentalists probably. And they tend to consist of what? Liberals or Conservatives?



I think is quite understood PP lobbys those who support them, just like any other organization.
Some environmentalists can fudge the way things are in their favor so don't think they are above that thing. Also one thing I find hypocritical about some progressive groups is that they get mad at some organizations for supporting conservative causes but have no problem with organizations that agree with them doing the same thing. Like for instance how AlterNet and Think Progress wrote some articles about how they slammed Organic Eden for not supporting mandated contraceptives.

Organic Eden Foods’ Secretive Right-Wing Agenda | Alternet

How A Right-Wing CEO's Big Mouth Could Kill His Attack On Birth Control | ThinkProgress

Or the fact is that they surround themselves with some questionable people who said some really racist things or apart of some racist groups. It makes them somewhat two faced about the race issue.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/1...c-remarks.html
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Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
Some environmentalists can fudge the way things are in their favor so don't think they are above that thing. Also one thing I find hypocritical about some progressive groups is that they get mad at some organizations for supporting conservative causes but have no problem with organizations that agree with them doing the same thing. Like for instance how AlterNet and Think Progress wrote some articles about how they slammed Organic Eden for not supporting mandated contraceptives.

Organic Eden Foods’ Secretive Right-Wing Agenda | Alternet

How A Right-Wing CEO's Big Mouth Could Kill His Attack On Birth Control | ThinkProgress

Or the fact is that they surround themselves with some questionable people who said some really racist things or apart of some racist groups. It makes them somewhat two faced about the race issue.

Rahm welcomes help from Farrakahn, ignores anti-Semitic remarks - Chicago Sun-Times
I read the first one, I didn't read the second. Not sure how letting those who most likely support this company know their stance is being hypocritical?
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Originally Posted by JoyJuice View Post
I read the first one, I didn't read the second. Not sure how letting those who most likely support this company know their stance is being hypocritical?
How about this if Obamacare was going to be so called good for the nation then why are unions rising against it?

Labor Leader Admits ObamaCare Woes | TIME.com

IWF - Unions: On Second Thought, We're Not Crazy about ObamaCare

Buying Off The Unions To Back Obamacare | Acton PowerBlog

Obamacare casualty: Longshoremen cut ties with AFL-CIO, citing health plan - Washington Times

http://reason.com/24-7/2013/09/03/lo...nion-cuts-ties
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For them personally, it has to do with the Caddillac plan tax. I am personally in the same boat. The idea of Obamacare is healthcare for all Americans, even those millions who never had it. As mentioned before some things have drawbacks, the question becomes is it good for the nation to have healthcare for all.
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Try looking at UPS and other companies that are dumping health coverage for employees...
UPS is not dumping coverage for it's employees.
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Originally Posted by JoyJuice View Post
For them personally, it has to do with the Caddillac plan tax. I am personally in the same boat.
Perhaps some lib can explain the rationale for the "Cadillac plan" tax for me, because I personally can't fathom the logic in taxing a good healthcare benefit if the goal is to provide a good healthcare benefit. That is something that is so ridiculous I am sure only liberals can get behind it.
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Perhaps some lib can explain the rationale for the "Cadillac plan" tax for me, because I personally can't fathom the logic in taxing a good healthcare benefit if the goal is to provide a good healthcare benefit. That is something that is so ridiculous I am sure only liberals can get behind it.
It's called spreading the wealth around. You take from the person who earned, and give to the person who didn't
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