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Originally Posted by Psalm 91 View Post
My neighbor said something a long time ago about us attacking countries that don't have central banks. How many countries don't and which one's are they?
Your neighbor sounds like s/he knows his/her stuff, and is probably trying to tell you something, but is worried you will label him/her a conspiracy theorist. I would say pique your neighbor's brain if you aren't afraid of knowing what is to come. Heck, the fact that you didn't dismiss me like others did on this thread tells me you are miles ahead of the crowd. I think it was Aristotle that said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Go on your own search; I think your mind is open enough. In math, all that is needed to draw a line is two points; you have heard it from me and your neighbor. Good luck on your search, and don't dismiss anything - no matter how farfetched in YOUR mind it sounds. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Congratulations, Wolseley! You're (1) the only one here with his head screwed on right (except, sort of, Lollerskates), and, apparently, (2) the only Bible believer here except for Interpreter (whom I never agree with).

(1) Head screwed on right.

Lollerskates at least has the sense to suspect fire when she smells smoke. The others here seem to be clones of Neville Chamberlain.

(2) Bible believer

Outside of you and Interpreter, the panelists here all seem to be missing several entire books from their 8ibles. Since they are Christians and I am not, it's not worthwhile to discuss this with them. Interpreter puts things together in a funny way; but at least he gets some of his material from the Bible. The Bible DOES talk about the others, though:

2 Peter 3
[1] This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[2] That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

God bless and keep you, Woles

BTW. Obama is God's to deal with. I don't trouble myself much with what he does.
Lol I completely missed your post somehow...

Yea, I am a bit extreme, but at least you realize I'm not talking out of my backside. You don't have to be like me to see stuff is ridiculous in this world. And, if you are paying attention, you will notice "crazies" like me are on to something, as you have.

And, I am male lol...

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Originally Posted by Lollerskates View Post
Your neighbor sounds like s/he knows his/her stuff, and is probably trying to tell you something, but is worried you will label him/her a conspiracy theorist. I would say pique your neighbor's brain if you aren't afraid of knowing what is to come. Heck, the fact that you didn't dismiss me like others did on this thread tells me you are miles ahead of the crowd. I think it was Aristotle that said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Go on your own search; I think your mind is open enough. In math, all that is needed to draw a line is two points; you have heard it from me and your neighbor. Good luck on your search, and don't dismiss anything - no matter how farfetched in YOUR mind it sounds. Truth is stranger than fiction.
I've known him for 16yrs. and he's the one who gave me the book "None Dare Call It A Conspiracy" to read. He has been telling me about the various conspiracies for years and was convinced that 9/11 was an inside job on 9/11. We used to fight over these things like cats and dogs. I always defended the government against him until I no longer could. You should have seen him after the Patriot Act was passed. As a Libertarian, he didn't handle it well. I thought he was just paranoid. The only problem for me now, is that he is Scientologist and has no faith in God. Where I see many of the things which are happening as part of God's plan being fulfilled, he cuts the conversation off. He's extreme about psychotropic drugs or any drugs, for that matter. But I have learned a lot from him. Most of the things he was telling me would happen back in '97, '98 have all happened. So I don't just believe what the media says anymore. Once you figure out the agenda and who's agenda it is, everything else is pretty easy to figure out. But where he doesn't care about what anyone else thinks, I get offended when I'm called a conspiracy theorist. I want to call people blockheads, but you can't do that, especially here. It took me almost 16 yrs. so I know how ridiculous conspiracy sounds to them.

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Originally Posted by Psalm 91 View Post
I've known him for 16yrs. and he's the one who gave me the book "None Dare Call It A Conspiracy" to read. He has been telling me about the various conspiracies for years and was convinced that 9/11 was an inside job on 9/11. We used to fight over these things like cats and dogs. I always defended the government against him until I no longer could. You should have seen him after the Patriot Act was passed. As a Libertarian, he didn't handle it well. I thought he was just paranoid. The only problem for me now, is that he is Scientologist and has no faith in God. Where I see many of the things which are happening as part of God's plan being fulfilled, he cuts the conversation off. He's extreme about psychotropic drugs or any drugs, for that matter. But I have learned a lot from him. Most of the things he was telling me would happen back in '97, '98 have all happened. So I don't just believe what the media says anymore. Once you figure out the agenda and who's agenda it is, everything else is pretty easy to figure out. But where he doesn't care about what anyone else thinks, I get offended when I'm called a conspiracy theorist. I want to call people blockheads, but you can't do that, especially here. It took me almost 16 yrs. so I know how ridiculous conspiracy sounds to them.

Thanks for the encouragement!
The patriot act was a murderer of rights for people in the States; I share the same sentiments as your neighbor. You are incredibly correct when you say "Once you figure out the agenda...it is easy" - that is essentially the point. These psychos have been following the same process since Adam. Why? Because it works; why fix something that isn't broken? Their biggest weapon is public incredulity: they depend on other people to call people who unveil their plans "crazies, conspiracy theorists, paranoid, retards, etc." They can't truly hide their big agenda secrets - and they know that. That is why the rely on public division. White vs black, republican vs democrat, gay vs straight. These are purposefully heightened artifacts to distract the "serfs," what they think of us. And, if by some way a person or people still influence minds and shed light on atrocities, then they are just murdered, or "suicided."

So, yea consider it a badge when someone labeled you as a conspiracy theorist. If they don't wake up, they will get their shame when their grandchildren read about this time in history, and asks why no one recognized what was going on. They will have to explain their part in this time in history. I am glad there are people, though, that recognize this is world is not the pretty veneer being presented. If there were more people like you - people who even entertained their crazy neighbors - then we would not be headed in the direction we are going now.
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I believe completely that we are in the end times and the WWIII is in our near future. I started a thread about end times in the media..... wasn't all that well received. Well this is part of my thread:

And if your interested
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764987/#post63861772


Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessedishe that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


PressTV - Tigris and Euphrates basins drying up, study shows

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...ES_8.html?_r=0



So what's next? An army of 200,000,000 marching on Israel. There are at this moment 7,103,005,520 (7.1 billion) people on this earth. When else in human history have we seen the current prophetic signs, and had the population to field a two hundred million strong army? Also to slay 1/3 of the worlds population would mean 2,367,668,506 (2.4 billion) people are going to die world wide by smoke, fire, and brimstone. Nuclear holocaust.

So what's to stop it? nothing. This is why I believe Christ is returning at any moment. To spare us from going any further.
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Lol I completely missed your post somehow...

Yea, I am a bit extreme, but at least you realize I'm not talking out of my backside. You don't have to be like me to see stuff is ridiculous in this world. And, if you are paying attention, you will notice "crazies" like me are on to something, as you have.

And, I am male lol...
Oops. When I am posting, the sex symbols are hidden from the page. Thanks for taking it in stride. I will edit the original post, and restore your dignity.

You've read me right -- I don't follow conspiracy theories, and don't see the need to. I know that God is in control of the "Light" side, and the Devil's in control of the "Dark" side, whatever people are employed by each. I also know that the Devil is controlled by God; so the whole exercise is angst-free.

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I believe completely that we are in the end times and the WWIII is in our near future. I started a thread about end times in the media..... wasn't all that well received. Well this is part of my thread:

And if your interested
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764987/#post63861772

Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessedishe that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

PressTV - Tigris and Euphrates basins drying up, study shows

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...ES_8.html?_r=0

So what's next? An army of 200,000,000 marching on Israel. There are at this moment 7,103,005,520 (7.1 billion) people on this earth. When else in human history have we seen the current prophetic signs, and had the population to field a two hundred million strong army? Also to slay 1/3 of the worlds population would mean 2,367,668,506 (2.4 billion) people are going to die world wide by smoke, fire, and brimstone. Nuclear holocaust.

So what's to stop it? nothing. This is why I believe Christ is returning at any moment. To spare us from going any further.
Marbles, I think you and Interpreter may have a lively conversation -- and remember what I said, that I have almost never agreed with him.

As for what you've said,

1. I acknowledge that there will come a time when there are three entities on the earth: the Dragon (who is explicitly called Satan), the beast, and the false prophet.

2. I have tried time and again, to figure out who the False Prophet is; but I come up empty every time. He will obviously be someone with political/economic power (The boundary line between the two is getting blurred nowadays), and will have a religious or quasi-religious aspect to him. He? She? It? He compels people to worship the image of the beast. What's the image? Television? Who's the idol? Oprah Winfrey? I just can't piece it together; and I don't think God wants me to -- not just now. When the time comes, I think those who trust in God will know who this guy is.

3. The beast: It seems a composite of beasts from Daniel, which represented world powers (Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome). Seven heads would seem to be Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and New Rome (Holy Roman Empire). Ten horns would seem to be the European powers that succeeded the HRE, and essentially ruled the world from about 1750 to 1950. Their tenure was succeeded by the Cold War and then, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, by the USA. Because of this, I count America as the "little horn" that grew up during those 200 years, from a British colony to a superpower. Because the little horn is described as having a mouth and boasting great things, I take it to be a person -- most likely an American President (not Obama, in my book)

4. Babylon, Mother of Harlots. Allegorically she's Rome; but since the prophecy places her destruction as during the time of the ten horns (1750-1950 or later), I don't think she represents the literal city of Rome. She is a great commercial center, a place of luxury and a place of tremendous consumer spending. She cannot be the Little Horn; because the ten horns give their power and authority to the little horn, whereas those same ten horns strip Babylon naked. Her commercial prowess makes me again think of America; and the "smoke of her burning" makes me think of the Twin Towers; but America has not been and will not be "stripped naked" by the nations of Europe. I think Babylon is a metaphor for the Catholic Church, which was largely stripped of its political power, its property and its prestige by the increasingly secular Western leaders.

As I say, I don't know who the False Prophet is. Perhaps he is the same as the Antichrist. I think he's in the near future, and is at present a mystery. I believe the FIRST battle of Armageddon (not the final one, which takes place AFTER the Millenium, 1000 years after the beast and false prophet have passed from history into the lake of fire) is the battle described in Zechariah 14. It is described as being fought by ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD (Literally, the "United Nations") against Israel, and led by the Beast (the United States). As I said, it will be in the near future, perhaps ten or 20 years. I don't count the current conflicts as being part of that battle.

The First Battle of Armageddon will end in a nuclear exchange, as described in Zechariah 14 -- "World War III", in other words.

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Marbles, I think you and Interpreter may have a lively conversation -- and remember what I said, that I have almost never agreed with him.

As for what you've said,

1. I acknowledge that there will come a time when there are three entities on the earth: the Dragon (who is explicitly called Satan), the beast, and the false prophet.

2. I have tried time and again, to figure out who the False Prophet is; but I come up empty every time. He will obviously be someone with political/economic power (The boundary line between the two is getting blurred nowadays), and will have a religious or quasi-religious aspect to him. He? She? It? He compels people to worship the image of the beast. What's the image? Television? Who's the idol? Oprah Winfrey? I just can't piece it together; and I don't think God wants me to -- not just now. When the time comes, I think those who trust in God will know who this guy is.

3. The beast: It seems a composite of beasts from Daniel, which represented world powers (Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome). Seven heads would seem to be Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and New Rome (Holy Roman Empire). Ten horns would seem to be the European powers that succeeded the HRE, and essentially ruled the world from about 1750 to 1950. Their tenure was succeeded by the Cold War and then, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, by the USA. Because of this, I count America as the "little horn" that grew up during those 200 years, from a British colony to a superpower. Because the little horn is described as having a mouth and boasting great things, I take it to be a person -- most likely an American President (not Obama, in my book)

4. Babylon, Mother of Harlots. Allegorically she's Rome; but since the prophecy places her destruction as during the time of the ten horns (1750-1950 or later), I don't think she represents the literal city of Rome. She is a great commercial center, a place of luxury and a place of tremendous consumer spending. She cannot be the Little Horn; because the ten horns give their power and authority to the little horn, whereas those same ten horns strip Babylon naked. Her commercial prowess makes me again think of America; and the "smoke of her burning" makes me think of the Twin Towers; but America has not been and will not be "stripped naked" by the nations of Europe. I think Babylon is a metaphor for the Catholic Church, which was largely stripped of its political power, its property and its prestige by the increasingly secular Western leaders.

As I say, I don't know who the False Prophet is. Perhaps he is the same as the Antichrist. I think he's in the near future, and is at present a mystery. I believe the FIRST battle of Armageddon (not the final one, which takes place AFTER the Millenium, 1000 years after the beast and false prophet have passed from history into the lake of fire) is the battle described in Zechariah 14. It is described as being fought by ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD (Literally, the "United Nations") against Israel, and led by the Beast (the United States). As I said, it will be in the near future, perhaps ten or 20 years. I don't count the current conflicts as being part of that battle.

The First Battle of Armageddon will end in a nuclear exchange, as described in Zechariah 14 -- "World War III", in other words.

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Totally wrong. With wars approaching, the aliens that seeded life on our planet and have been watching from afar are going to come back to intervene when they see that we're on the verge of annihilating each other.
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No, it's not near. No major power will risk conflict over the Middle East with another major power. But proxy wars will (and are) happen as usual, thousands will die, but Westerners will still live as if nothing is happening.
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Originally Posted by Maynard Keenan View Post
Totally wrong. With wars approaching, the aliens that seeded life on our planet and have been watching from afar are going to come back to intervene when they see that we're on the verge of annihilating each other.
Yeah, but they only want us alive so they can use us as a food source. I think I'd rather be dead than eaten by an alien.
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