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Old 17th August 2013, 08:23 PM
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If God is immutable, impassable and eternal, why does he do anything?

Hi all, first post here, hope this is the right place for this thread, seemed the most appropriate one I could see that non-Christians can post in.

Been reading around various bits of theology and came across the idea that God is immutable (unchanging), impassable (unaffected by other things) and eternal (outside of time as we understand it). I understand that not all Christians believe this but was wondering how those that do reconcile this with God intervening in the world or even creating it in the first place.

Most Christian explanations I have read seem to suggest that God created the world because he wants some kind of relationship with human beings, either glorification (through the worship of the faithful and the punishment of sin) or love. Doesn't this imply that God gets some kind of gratification from his creation? If that is the case, how can he be immutable or impassable? And how can something eternal be influenced or affected by events in linear time in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Alabaster crashes down View Post
Hi all, first post here, hope this is the right place for this thread, seemed the most appropriate one I could see that non-Christians can post in.

Been reading around various bits of theology and came across the idea that God is immutable (unchanging), impassable (unaffected by other things) and eternal (outside of time as we understand it). I understand that not all Christians believe this but was wondering how those that do reconcile this with God intervening in the world or even creating it in the first place.

Most Christian explanations I have read seem to suggest that God created the world either because he wants some kind of relationship with human beings, either glorification (through the worship of the faithful and the punishment of sin) or love. Doesn't this imply that God gets some kind of gratification from his creation? If that is the case, how can he be immutable or impassable? And how can something eternal be influenced or affected by events in linear time in the first place?
This would be an excellent question to post in the Exploring Christianity section. You can start a thread there and have the people there answer it. Here you may not get many responses from Christians.
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I think that perspective is a mortal one attributed to a god.

Why would a supreme being need to be praised by lesser beings for being itself? Why would it need to be loved by that creation that the creator imbued with the qualities that would graduate to its worship?

The Pantheist see's god as everything and all things past, present, and future.

When asked why does god do anything the answer then would appear to be present as all things. Therefore, the ego that seeks out god to worship, or imagines for itself eternity needs praise is primacy reflected through human-apotheosis or, auththeism.

I like that this question is in the Philosophy forum. It allows non-Christians to share their thoughts.

You can always post it in a Christian forum. I think there is one entitled, Christian Philosophy.
Nice thread.


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Hi all, first post here, hope this is the right place for this thread, seemed the most appropriate one I could see that non-Christians can post in.

Been reading around various bits of theology and came across the idea that God is immutable (unchanging), impassable (unaffected by other things) and eternal (outside of time as we understand it). I understand that not all Christians believe this but was wondering how those that do reconcile this with God intervening in the world or even creating it in the first place.

Most Christian explanations I have read seem to suggest that God created the world either because he wants some kind of relationship with human beings, either glorification (through the worship of the faithful and the punishment of sin) or love. Doesn't this imply that God gets some kind of gratification from his creation? If that is the case, how can he be immutable or impassable? And how can something eternal be influenced or affected by events in linear time in the first place?
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This would be an excellent question to post in the Exploring Christianity section. You can start a thread there and have the people there answer it. Here you may not get many responses from Christians.
Thanks for the suggestion. Will cross post there.
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Originally Posted by Alabaster crashes down View Post
Most Christian explanations I have read seem to suggest that God created the world because he wants some kind of relationship with human beings, either glorification (through the worship of the faithful and the punishment of sin) or love. Doesn't this imply that God gets some kind of gratification from his creation? If that is the case, how can he be immutable or impassable? And how can something eternal be influenced or affected by events in linear time in the first place?
Even more so, how can an immutable and timeless being think?


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Even more so, how can an immutable and timeless being think?
Aye, I suppose that pretty much follows from my line of questioning.
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I guess it depends on what people mean by impassibility. If they take a strong stance on that, then it would seem to conflict with omniscience. ie: If the world doesn't affect him, then he would have no knowledge that the world exists.

I think immutability and being eternal, or timeless, can be made sense of though.
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I think immutability and being eternal, or timeless, can be made sense of though.
Just not in any way that makes sense.


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Just not in any way that makes sense.


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I don't know. A timeless loving God isn't a crazy idea in my opinion. It might not make sense, but I don't think it is obvious if it doesn't.
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I've also heard some believers claim that God is perfect. Indeed, God is utter, absolute perfection. If true, then why would a perfect being do anything? It should have no needs, or wants, and no logical reason to act in any manner whatsoever.
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