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Are you implying that Ken Ham and AIG are dishonest???!! <GASP>


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Originally Posted by EternalDragon View Post
Post solid evidence please that the books were not written within the life time of the followers of Christ and those that were with Christ.
"Authorship is an area of longstanding and current research and debate, with different works posing different problems for identification. While the various works have traditional ascriptions of authorship, these ascriptions are in some cases defended by scholars, and in other cases disputed or rejected. None of the Gospel authors is thought to be an eyewitness, and none claims to be. There is a broad consensus that many of the books of the New Testament were not written by the people whose names are attached to them.
The Gospels were originally anonymous, and names were not ascribed to them until around 185 CE. None of them was written in Palestine."

Bart Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted (Harper Collins, 2009) pages 102-104.

Gerd Theissen, The Gospels in Context (Continuum, 2004), page 290.
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Originally Posted by gradyll View Post
ok so back the real questions I have asked of you guys,

why is it that not one evolutionist will debate any one of the high profile creationists out there?

secondly, how is it the nothing exploded? In the Big bang?

What fueled it?

nothing can't fuel nothing correct?

Also explain how macro evolution is possible?

also how is it that That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys.
Grady,

Can I suggest that, before you try asking questions like this, you actually do some research into the subject you're criticising.....?

You come off looking very, very silly with these questions expressed as they are......in fact, all you do is to provide further ammunition for those of us who would claim that creationists generally don't have a clue about evolutionary biology and are prepared to lie in a desperate attempt to prop up their discredited belief structures.....
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Originally Posted by biggles53 View Post
Grady,

Can I suggest that, before you try asking questions like this, you actually do some research into the subject you're criticising.....?

You come off looking very, very silly with these questions expressed as they are......in fact, all you do is to provide further ammunition for those of us who would claim that creationists generally don't have a clue about evolutionary biology and are prepared to lie in a desperate attempt to prop up their discredited belief structures.....
again no answer sir,

so this would be a strawman fallacy.

and a red herring.

so please just answer the questions.
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Originally Posted by gradyll View Post
again no answer sir,

so this would be a strawman fallacy.

and a red herring.

so please just answer the questions.
It is creationists that are running away from debates, as we have already shown you. It is creationists who refuse to engage scientists. They refuse to go to scientific conferences and present data. They refuse to do any research, or publish any peer reviewed papers. They avoid the science arena altogether.

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Conferences like the one below would be perfect for creationists who want to engage scientists on the topic of evolution. Somehow, I doubt any of them would go if told about it. In fact, they would make sure to avoid it.

http://www.grc.org/programs.aspx?yea...program=devbio
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Technically speaking it's a weak ad hominem which also happens to be true: You demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge about evolution regularly.

And your complete lack of knowledge regarding logical fallacies too.
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No, since Ken agreed to do it initially with certain conditions (having a PhD in the debate), and then once those conditions were met (by PZ Myers joining in) he bailed.
I have debated phd's before, no biggy
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again no answer sir,

so this would be a strawman fallacy.

and a red herring.

so please just answer the questions.
Answer what....!??

Questions that just don't make sense...??

As has been explained patiently by others, evolutionary theory makes NONE of the claims that you want it to explain......... and, in an UNRELATED field, the Big Bang wasn't claimed to be an 'explosion'.....

And you're pointing the finger at OTHERS creating straw men....??

Sheesh....!

I'll credit you with one reasonable question.......how is macro evolution possible?
In the same way that micro evolution is......through very small changes taking place over TIME.......the usual analogy that is employed is to ask you this - if I can take a certain number of small steps to walk to my front gate, why could I not keep taking those small steps and eventually get to the other side of town....?
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I have debated phd's before, no biggy
Then why did Ken back down as soon as his unnecessary conditions were met?
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And there are Bibles in those places. What's your point?
Not legally.
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