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Question Ethiopian Orthadox Tawehedo Church larger Bible?

Hi,

I was just wonder if anyone had any information on why the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has more books in their bibles than any other denomination?

These are the books that I found that were not in the Protestant Bible or the Catholic Bible.

Old Testament:
Jublee
Enoch
Ezra II
Ezra Sutuel
Tobit
Judith
Maccabees I
Maccabees II
Maccabees III
Tegsats
Metsihafe Tibeb
Son of Sirac
Josephas the Son of Bengorion.

New Testament:
James
Sirate Tsion
Tizaz
Gitsew
Abtilis
I Dominos
II Dominos
Clement
Didascalia

I understand that the Book of Enoch was an ancient Jewish text that was brought to Ethiopia by Jews. As they recently found fragments of it in the Qurman (sp?) Caves, which has been preserved by Ethiopian Jews.

I also know that before the Bible, there was no defined "jewish texts" or Canon for the Jews.

But does anyone know what these books are, or if they would be worth investigating and reading? I am especially interested in the New Testament books. Is there any Ethiopian Orthodox members on this site that can give me some indication on what on earth these books are?

Thanks


PS: Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask!
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Unread 13th August 2013, 06:48 PM
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I have no clue why they have more books, but they aren't in communion with us Eastern Orthodox Christians. They are Oriental Orthodox, very close friends, but still not Eastern Orthodox.
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Tobit, Judith, Maccabees I, Maccabees II, and Maccabees III are considered scripture in Eastern Orthodoxy as well, I believe.
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And Sirach. Sirach is one of my favorite books of the Bible.
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Nothing besides the Eastern Orthodox Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers(the ones recognised by the Eastern Orthodox Church) is worth reading regarding to understanding God and following His word. So we must stay away from any books that are not allowed by the Church. Do not play with your salvation.
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Originally Posted by Tornero View Post
Hi,

I was just wonder if anyone had any information on why the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has more books in their bibles than any other denomination?

These are the books that I found that were not in the Protestant Bible or the Catholic Bible.

Old Testament:
Jublee
Enoch
Ezra II
Ezra Sutuel
Tobit
Judith
Maccabees I
Maccabees II
Maccabees III
Tegsats
Metsihafe Tibeb
Son of Sirac
Josephas the Son of Bengorion.

New Testament:
James
Sirate Tsion
Tizaz
Gitsew
Abtilis
I Dominos
II Dominos
Clement
Didascalia

I understand that the Book of Enoch was an ancient Jewish text that was brought to Ethiopia by Jews. As they recently found fragments of it in the Qurman (sp?) Caves, which has been preserved by Ethiopian Jews.

I also know that before the Bible, there was no defined "jewish texts" or Canon for the Jews.

But does anyone know what these books are, or if they would be worth investigating and reading? I am especially interested in the New Testament books. Is there any Ethiopian Orthodox members on this site that can give me some indication on what on earth these books are?

Thanks


PS: Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask!
Both Clement and Didascalia (Didache) are both highly regarded and were included in at least one New Testament canon before the Church made its final ruling on the matter, as was another called The Shepherd of Hermas
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that's just how they roll. you might get a better answer if you go on the Oriental Orthodox thread
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Originally Posted by Boris89 View Post
Nothing besides the Eastern Orthodox Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers(the ones recognised by the Eastern Orthodox Church) is worth reading regarding to understanding God and following His word. So we must stay away from any books that are not allowed by the Church. Do not play with your salvation.
Seriously? So no Chesterton, no C.S. Lewis, or Dostoyevsky? I think the category "books allowed by the Church" extends far beyond the Eastern Orthodox bible and Church Fathers.
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Seriously? So no Chesterton, no C.S. Lewis, or Dostoyevsky? I think the category "books allowed by the Church" extends far beyond the Eastern Orthodox bible and Church Fathers.
Chesterton? Is Outrage!!! Only "The Brothers Karamazov" is allowed.
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