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Calvinism vs. Baptists? Wassup?

Why John Calvin is shaking things up for Southern Baptists | Religion News Service
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Doctrines of men.
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It's interesting. There is a divide - very notably between seminarians and the lay people. The person in the pew is more likely to not be a Calvinist but the one who's been to seminary is more likely to be a Calvinist; also, the younger generation seems more interested in Calvinism than before. I do disagree with the article on one point - Baptist have historically been heavily Calvinistic (though not unanimously so). I've been aware of the issue in the SBC for several years now.

(I'm southern Baptist btw). My father was at the convention as a rep. back in the days of the "conservative takeover."

Thanks for the article.
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The Primitive, or Old School Baptists claim to be the original Baptists. They claim to be identical to the original English and Welsh Baptists who immigrated to colonial America. They are very Calvinistic in their doctrines and practices. The Primitive Baptists have been around for a much longer period of time than those who call them selves the "Reformed Baptists" (Tulip Baptists), or the "Convention Baptists" The Reformed Baptist movement has come about within the last 50 years, and did not "splinter" off from the Southern Baptist Convention. (I know this because I was raised in a Primitive Baptist Church.) They probably would be more likely to be a "splinter" group from either the Association, or the Conservative, or the Independent Baptists.
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Calvin got the Scriptures, most notably Romans 9-11, very wrong. Predestination of individuals is not there in the Scriptures.

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There has always been a difference of opinion on Calvinism within the SBC since it was formed after the Civil War. It ebbs and flows.

Also, there has always been both Calvinistic and non-Calvinistic Baptist groups since the 1600s. It was fodder for a dissertation in my case. The Soteriology of the English General Baptists to 1630.
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Neither side is Unorthodox. Why is this thread here?
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Calvin got the Scriptures, most notably Romans 9-11, very wrong. Predestination of individuals is not there in the Scriptures.

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Calvin got lots of things wrong. He was partly responsible for the murder of Michael Servetus who was burned alive at the stake because he resisted the Trinity Doctrine, Calvin being his main opponent in the "debate". I never knew any history of Calvin until I was a grown up and married. When I read his history, it started me thinking, and I thought, " why would such a obviously cruel man be given a spiritual truth"? The doctrine of election and predestination never did set too well with me, even when I was younger person. But thats what I was taught, and its hard to break away from something like that which has been so ingrained in the mind by the two people who you love and trust and depend on for your every need. But reading his history did make me start to study the Bible on my own without interference from family and friends. I surely can say that the Lord took me by the hand and led me out of this false doctrine.

The scriptures do not teach the predestining of individuals to everlasting death, or 'hell' as some call it. But they do teach that there were some who were predestined to serve a special purpose pertaining to Jesus' Church.
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