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Unread 17th May 2013, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sunrise0
Now It comes as no surprise and I understand what encouraged millions of Christians to go to Africa, abduct thousands of men and women, deprive them of their families and countries, and treat them in a manner not fit for animals, the reason is their skin color did not suit those criminals who decided to grade God's created human beings according to their skin color!Which devil decided that one skin color or race is better than another?
Christians didn't abduct anybody. They purchased slaves (who had already been enslaved by their neighbors) for agricultural labor in their American colonies. Also, this practice was controversial in Christendom from the beginning.

Of course, by this time Muslims had been trading in African slaves for nearly a thousand years. The males were sent usually sent to domestic work after being castrated, and the females were generally herded into harems. Nary a peep of condemnation anywhere.

So typical of Muslims, denouncing every real and perceived immorality in the West while freely practicing the most disgusting abominations themselves.

No scripture waving here. Just mere history.
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Originally Posted by FrenchyBearpaw View Post
Owning another human is morally wrong and reprehensible. And I didn't need a holy book to figure that out.
This post is worthy of a revisit for people looking to justify certain actions.
You cannot trade in something that is not yours to own, and it has the ability to express indifference to the said ownership.If it is something 'you' have created then is has a certain tradable quality given is desire by another (perhaps) and given that the 'created' piece is unable to show indifference to the trade. Really all the justifications look a bit silly. Yes we can state that certain structures existed to 'enable' an opportunity to exist where ownership of another was made available, but that doesn't make it right. I suspect that throughout history that such conditions were subject to workable advice re positive interaction between slave and owner, thus creating some standard of relationship, but I think the post above seems to fit the bill.

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfTheKing View Post
Christians didn't abduct anybody. They purchased slaves (who had already been enslaved by their neighbors) for agricultural labor in their American colonies. Also, this practice was controversial in Christendom from the beginning.

Of course, by this time Muslims had been trading in African slaves for nearly a thousand years. The males were sent usually sent to domestic work after being castrated, and the females were generally herded into harems. Nary a peep of condemnation anywhere.

So typical of Muslims, denouncing every real and perceived immorality in the West while freely practicing the most disgusting abominations themselves.

No scripture waving here. Just mere history.
Christians did not abduct slaves ?!!!
Thanks for making me smile

I like to remind you that a serious person who wants to discuss any matter from a religious stand must come up with religious text to prove his point/s. I presented many Biblical verses which allow slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran
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Originally Posted by sunrise0 View Post
.. slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran
This is how Islam survives .Through bluster.I made several posts about Islamic slaveery from quran,hadith and tafsirs.You wouldn't address them and yet spam with your dawah nonsense again and again.
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Originally Posted by Rationalt View Post
This is how Islam survives .Through bluster.I made several posts about Islamic slaveery from quran,hadith and tafsirs.You wouldn't address them and yet spam with your dawah nonsense again and again.
post your proofs here. I will NOT waste my time searching for your old posts.
refute the Biblical texts I posted here

present Islamic text which encourage slavery

if you don't , it will be a good answer
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Originally Posted by sunrise0
I like to remind you that a serious person who wants to discuss any matter from a religious stand must come up with religious text to prove his point/s.
Not really.

Originally Posted by sunrise0
I presented many Biblical verses which allow slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran
Thing is, it isn't my understanding of what the Koran says that matters. It's what Muslims generally think the Koran says that matters, and that is evidenced in the conduct of Muslims throughout history. Islam has an existence outside the pages of a book, and that is what I am mainly concerned with; Islam in action, rather than on paper.

Here's a link to a basic survey of the attitudes of the world's religions toward slavery. It is refreshingly objective and free of preaching:

Religions and the abolition of slavery - a comparative approach
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Originally Posted by sunrise0 View Post
post your proofs here. I will NOT waste my time searching for your old posts.
Bluster again.I posted them several times you skip them and spam with your Islamic nonsense.Kind of shameless, i think.

refute the Biblical texts I posted here
Why would I do that ?.

present Islamic text which encourage slavery

if you don't , it will be a good answer
More bluster.

The thread on Islamic slavery http://www.christianforums.com/t7694620/ bumped.
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Practice vs. Theory

Scriptures can say whatever they want but name a religion whose adherents follow them that closely. People listen to influential figures and cultural norms. If you have loads of angry extremist Islamic preachers preaching Islam. That's what you'll get. If Christians had more Pat Robertsons, you'd start to see that more prevalent in right-wing Christian thought.

Scripture can be used to mean anything, hell I am come up with meanings for my life from the Bible. The question is how the loudest people of the religion use such things.
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Sheik, a member of the Senior Council of Clerics: "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is a part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

Abu Ishaq al-Huwanini, Egyptian Cleric: "When I want asex slave, I go to the market and pick whichever female I desire and buy her"

Then there is the Muslim womanI think she lives is in Kuwait that wants to revive the sex slave institution - she doesn't realize it never ended!



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Originally Posted by Zoness View Post
Practice vs. Theory

Scriptures can say whatever they want but name a religion whose adherents follow them that closely. People listen to influential figures and cultural norms. If you have loads of angry extremist Islamic preachers preaching Islam. That's what you'll get. If Christians had more Pat Robertsons, you'd start to see that more prevalent in right-wing Christian thought.

Scripture can be used to mean anything, hell I am come up with meanings for my life from the Bible. The question is how the loudest people of the religion use such things.
This makes absolutely no sense.

Their allah condones slavery the one true God does not.
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