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View Poll Results: How do you receive Holy Communion?
Kneeling and on the tongue 6 11.76%
Standing and on the tongue 17 33.33%
Kneeling and on the hand 0 0%
Standing and on the hand 29 56.86%
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Unread 24th April 2013, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post

Depends on the alcohol content.

My parish uses a Sacramental Wine produced by a monastery somewhere.

It looks more like Madeira and actually taste good.

A parish nearby where my wife and myself sometimes attend Mass, the wine taste like watered down sweet wine. I'm almost afraid to receive it, for the alcohol content is so low, I doubt it kills germs left on the cup.

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No wine has a sufficient alcohol content for that alone to make much difference. The anti-bacterials are more important, and they are enhanced by the presence of alcohol and silver. Even heavily diluted a red wine is still powerfully antibacterial. For alcohol alone to be effective you need to be up towards 30%abv.
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Originally Posted by ebia View Post
No wine has a sufficient alcohol content for that alone to make much difference. The anti-bacterials are more important, and they are enhanced by the presence of alcohol and silver. Even heavily diluted a red wine is still powerfully antibacterial. For alcohol alone to be effective you need to be up towards 30%abv.
Well I'll be darn, it's actually 70%. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_alcoh..._kill_bacteria

But here's an interesting piece;

“Exposure to wine had a persistent antibacterial effect,” the authors wrote in their study, detailed in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. Prior to their research, the authors said the effects of wine against germs found in the mouth hadn’t been studied.




Red wines have stronger bacteria-fighting effects than white wine, although not by much. Curiously, the acidity and alcohol isn’t responsible for wine’s germ-fighting properties—instead, it’s a collection of organic (carbon-containing) compounds found in the drink.



After isolating the compounds from wine, which included lactic, malic, succinic and tartaric acids, the researchers neutralized their acidity. They then showed that the isolated antibacterial compounds were more successful than wine alone at killing 99.9 percent of the dental and sore throat bacteria, even when used in far lower concentrations than found in wine.Wine: Kills Germs on Contact | LiveScience
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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post

Well I'll be darn, it's actually 70%. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_alcoh..._kill_bacteria

But here's an interesting piece;

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The research I read found more difference between red and white than that quote implied. And it's from the skins - wine pressed not on the skins is much less safe.
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Two small but significant changes regarding Communion reception in the United States...
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I actually genuflect first then receive on the tongue. I feel my hands are too dirty (even if they are bio clean) to touch my savior's body. I also feel on the tongue is the quickest way to the heart. Just an opinion tho...

One Easter during mass, this woman came up and took the host into her hand, carried it to the person serving the Precious Blood and dipped it in the cup like it was some kind of coffee.

The look on the man's face was priceless, as mine would've been. But in all seriousness, I don't think the Eucharist and the Precious Blood should be treated like a piece of sweet bread and coffee.
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I actually genuflect first then receive on the tongue. I feel my hands are too dirty (even if they are bio clean) to touch my savior's body. I also feel on the tongue is the quickest way to the heart. Just an opinion tho...

One Easter during mass, this woman came up and took the host into her hand, carried it to the person serving the Precious Blood and dipped it in the cup like it was some kind of coffee.

The look on the man's face was priceless, as mine would've been. But in all seriousness, I don't think the Eucharist and the Precious Blood should be treated like a piece of sweet bread and coffee.
Dipping the body in the blood is very common here. I also used to do it, but stopped. As this is a sort of self service, as the blood is also to be given to you as is the body.
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Originally Posted by Esdra View Post
Dipping the body in the blood is very common here. I also used to do it, but stopped. As this is a sort of self service, as the blood is also to be given to you as is the body.

It's forbidden.

The issue I have with it is, first off, the person is sticking their hand down into the cup that everyone is receiving from. Not very clearn.

Second, what happens if the host breaks off into the cup?

That being said, I asked my pastor what I as a minster of the cup should do, if a person comes up and wants to dip the host into the consecrated wine? He said, just let them do it. Don't make a scene over it.


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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post
It's forbidden.

The issue I have with it is, first off, the person is sticking their hand down into the cup that everyone is receiving from. Not very clearn.

Second, what happens if the host breaks off into the cup?

That being said, I asked my pastor what I as a minster of the cup should do, if a person comes up and wants to dip the host into the consecrated wine? He said, just let them do it. Don't make a scene over it.


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Yes nobody actually addresses that... I doubt that many people are even aware of that. Despite usually only the body is served. At least in my area.
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One Easter during mass, this woman came up and took the host into her hand, carried it to the person serving the Precious Blood and dipped it in the cup like it was some kind of coffee.

The look on the man's face was priceless, as mine would've been. But in all seriousness, I don't think the Eucharist and the Precious Blood should be treated like a piece of sweet bread and coffee.
This is known as intinction. It is not permitted in the United States, but I think characterizing it as was done above is disrespectful to those places that practice it (including the Melkite and Coptic Catholic churches). They are our brother and sister Christians and their practices deserve respect.

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