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Originally Posted by Rev Randy View Post
Finally, a thread worth reading.
Stryder's gospel requires sabbathkeeping. Such a debate will cause a nuclear fallout to change the dailog to faith vs works of the law.
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Need to construe with Rom.1:16 & IICor.11:4.

=tall73;62843120]1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

1Co 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
1Co 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
1Co 15:11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
The Gospel must be thought of in terms of power and the means of grace, i.e., the channel through which grace reaches sinners. Also there is, absolutely, "a different gospel" hence we have to be sure we have the valid power coming through due to the antichristian's power, Rev.13. Good job, enjoyed.
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What exactly is the gospel???
What do you consider the gospel contains?

Please provide some scriptures to support your comments, if you can.
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Originally Posted by Cribstyl View Post
What exactly is the gospel???
What do you consider the gospel contains?

Please provide some scriptures to support your comments, if you can.
Blessings.

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".
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Originally Posted by Cribstyl View Post
Stryder's gospel requires sabbathkeeping. Such a debate will cause a nuclear fallout to change the dailog to faith vs works of the law.
It's not "Stryder's gospel" Crib. The gospel message never changed. How it's been handled by those it was entrusted to, that's another subject altogether.
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It's lasted over 2000 years. Some also thought the fellowship thread wouldn't last. But some are persistent and keep it going. I suggest if everyone loses interest, me and you can keep it going. We're both just hard-headed enough to do that.
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Not in the scripture............

Originally Posted by Stryder06 View Post
It's not "Stryder's gospel" Crib. The gospel message never changed. How it's been handled by those it was entrusted to, that's another subject altogether.
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You're right the message never changed. It has alway been about Jesus and the power of the cross.
What we have written from the day of Pentecost can and will be posted to show the gospel that was taught. That's what this thread will prove in the end.
Having SDA commentary saying: "Paul kept the sabbath" or "Jesus kept the sabbath, He was Lord of the sabbath" are stunts based on faulty reasoning, not scriptures. That's not gospel, it's another gospel.

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You're right the message never changed. It has alway been about Jesus and the power of the cross.
What we have written from the day of Pentecost can and will be posted to show the gospel that was taught. That's what this thread will prove in the end.
Funny enough is that most people don't really understand the cross because they don't really understand atonement, and they don't really understand atonement because they don't really understand the sanctuary.

Having SDA commentary saying: "Paul kept the sabbath" or "Jesus kept the sabbath, He was Lord of the sabbath" are stunts based on faulty reasoning, not scriptures. That's not gospel, it's another gospel.

Scriptures upon scriptures show what we must believe to be saved.


Well I have no desire to argue this with you. Proclaim what you will. I do believe I respected your wishes and provided you with an answer as requested. I'll leave it at that.
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Sure your not a "Christian," Lutheran... just a little bit?

Originally Posted by Setyoufree View Post
Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".
Excellent work! Just in the minors, "just for the Jews, then the Greeks" just being a little legalistic but the work was superb, might as well make the whole perfect? I'm also a ICor.1 Lutheran, with you, except more with v.23, "Christ crucified" is the sum and substance and the center of the Gospel from which every part of the Gospelradiates.
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Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".
I agree that there is not any works man can add to the gift of salvation. Until you personally accept the gift (by faith) you have nothing.
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