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I did some further research on the good doctor and found this post in Science Based Medicine.

I have to say that is a through examination of the movie and the clinic.
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Originally Posted by Paulos23 View Post
I did some further research on the good doctor and found this post in Science Based Medicine.

I have to say that is a through examination of the movie and the clinic.
I am impressed that you are doing research on this Paulos23 but if you go a little further you will find out that the author of the article you give the link to is also the author of the following blog. His lack of objectivity is pretty obvious!

Respectful Insolence - "A STATEMENT OF FACT CANNOT BE INSOLENT." THE MISCELLANEOUS RAMBLINGS OF A SURGEON/SCIENTIST ON MEDICINE, QUACKERY, SCIENCE, PSEUDOSCIENCE, HISTORY, AND PSEUDOHISTORY (AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT INTERESTS HIM

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Orac is the nom de blog of a humble surgeon/scientist who has an ego just big enough to delude himself that someone, somewhere might actually give a rodent's posterior about his copious verbal meanderings, but just barely small enough to admit to himself that few probably will. That surgeon is otherwise known as David Gorski.
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Originally Posted by Tomk80 View Post
Also, looking through the article Dennis Tate's claims of "essentially no negative side effects" made in post #43 is patently untrue. There are quite a few listed in the NCI summary.
Good point but anemia, dizziness, drowsiness and some instances of vomiting can hardly be compared with the side effects of chemo and radiation!

I can't remember if it was the book "Beyond The Barriers," or perhaps "Twice Pardoned" but the author Harold Morris pretty much convinced me that I would rather die than go through the chemo - radiation response to cancer!??!
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Good point but anemia, dizziness, drowsiness and some instances of vomiting can hardly be compared with the side effects of chemo and radiation!
Depends on the antineoplastin. AS2-1 seems to have more severe side-effects.

Just as the side effects of chemo and ratiation depend on the type of chemo or radiation and the type of cancer. These treatements have come a long way, and many of these are much more targeted and because of that have much less side effects than they had 10 to 15 years ago

I can't remember if it was the book "Beyond The Barriers," or perhaps "Twice Pardoned" but the author Harold Morris pretty much convinced me that I would rather die than go through the chemo - radiation response to cancer!??!
You can always refuse treatment, which in many cases means you will likely die. Personally, if it gives me another year with chances of giving me two years or more, I'll take three months of chemo with severe side effects. \

You have to understand that oncologists will generally weigh the severity of the expected side effects against the expected increase in life expectancy and quality of life. You seem to be under the impression that chemo and radiation treatments are just given willy-nilly whenever they discover cancer. This is not the case.
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post
I am impressed that you are doing research on this Paulos23 but if you go a little further you will find out that the author of the article you give the link to is also the author of the following blog. His lack of objectivity is pretty obvious!

Respectful Insolence - "A STATEMENT OF FACT CANNOT BE INSOLENT." THE MISCELLANEOUS RAMBLINGS OF A SURGEON/SCIENTIST ON MEDICINE, QUACKERY, SCIENCE, PSEUDOSCIENCE, HISTORY, AND PSEUDOHISTORY (AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT INTERESTS HIM

Orac – Respectful Insolence
You have yet to show that he is actually wrong. Ascertaining possible bias is one thing, but you have to actually show that this bias makes the arguments that the author makes invalid. Just shouting "bias!" is not enough.

So far, you have failed to show Orac is actually wrong. I have also yet to see you show he has an à priori bias against Burzynski, rather than a dislike of the guy due to his unethical way of working. Which you have yet to comment on, by the way.
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You have yet to show that he is actually wrong. Ascertaining possible bias is one thing, but you have to actually show that this bias makes the arguments that the author makes invalid. Just shouting "bias!" is not enough.

So far, you have failed to show Orac is actually wrong. I have also yet to see you show he has an à priori bias against Burzynski, rather than a dislike of the guy due to his unethical way of working. Which you have yet to comment on, by the way.
So far as his being somewhat biased goes:


Even more irritating, Burzynski is arrogant enough to claim that he is, in essence, the originator of the concept of personalized, gene-targeted medicine, and that big cancer centers like M.D. Anderson, Memorial Sloan-Kettering, and the like are only now following the trail that he blazed.

As much as I do try to get away from Burzynski from time to time, I couldn’t help but think of that smirking, arrogant face pontificating about his genius and bragging about his incompetently administered personalized medicine as I read yesterday’s New York Times article about what real cancer centers are doing to try to develop personalized cancer therapy. Contrast this with Burzynski’s rinky-dink operation:
Is there gold in that thar genomic medicine? – Respectful Insolence
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As to whether or not Orac is wrong:


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"A phase II study also conducted by the developer and his associates at his clinic reported on 12 patients with recurrent and diffuse intrinsic brain stem glioma. Of the ten patients who were evaluable, two achieved complete tumor response, three had partial tumor response, three had stable disease, and two had progressive disease. Patients ranged in age from 4 to 29 years."

A brainstem glioma has never been cured in medical history. The NCI just acknowledged and advertised two of those cures—also citing that 10 of the 12 brainstem glioma patients had a "positive response" to ANP therapy.

The NCI showed the courage to publish the dosage levels and everything!
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I found this thread as a pingback from Orac's blog and wanted to leave a relative link but lack the post count. Google "The Other Burzynski Patient Group", it should be the top result.

I see the OP is partial to testimonies, so this is definitely worth reading. Specifically the parts where each patient is told more or less the same thing about their growing tumours(that are dying in their centres due to lack of blood flow as the tumour grows), as if scripted, and the news is always positive(!). It also totally shoots down the claims that Burzynski's chemotherapy doesn't come with drastic side effects, like the need to excessively drink water and visit the bathroom throughout the night, which is incredibly exhausting(being hooked up to a pump for most of the day isn't fun either). Injecting that much sodium is in no way close to "relatively natural"; patients have been hospitalised because of this treatment.
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post

I am impressed that you are doing research on this Paulos23 but if you go a little further you will find out that the author of the article you give the link to is also the author of the following blog. His lack of objectivity is pretty obvious!

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Orac - Respectful Insolence
But you still haven't address any of the points made in the article. Your hand waving it away because you don't like the guy. Can you show what he says is wrong? Can you refute it?
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post
As to whether or not Orac is wrong:


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I keep seeing them say that brainstem gliomas have never been cured. They go out of their way to say "complete response" as if that were the same thing, but it doesn't appear to be. For some types of brainstem gliomas I'm seeing pretty long term survival rates: Brainstem gliomas in adults: prognostic factors and cl... [Brain. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

Cancer isn't generally said to be "cured", but rather be in remission.
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