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Old 12th March 2013, 02:24 PM
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Post I am an intrinsically disordered human being...

Any Catholic who has attended a parish fundraiser is familiar with the concept of a so-called “Chinese Auction”: One buys a round of tickets, surveys a table laden with baskets of cheer, baby items, sports memorabilia, and other tchotchkes, and then drops a ticket or two into paper bags near selected items.
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Old 13th March 2013, 10:08 AM
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Oooh, goody. Yet another article comparing the life-destroying issue of same-sex attraction to someone's peccadilloes (in this case, gluttony).

The most useful thing written on the link was the following comment:

"A person with a predisposition to overeat who by whatever strategies and efforts does *not* overeat is not a glutton. But according to the Church, a man with a homosexual orientation who forever chaste in both thought and deed is "damaged goods." He may not become a priest, because he can never be a "father type." He also, according to the Church, may be barred from being a coach, a teacher, or from joining the military based on orientation *alone*. "

And this is exactly why I feel I have no place in the Church.
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Old 13th March 2013, 11:40 AM
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1) I've never heard of a "Chinese auction", and to be perfectly honest term sounds a little judicial. Sort of like using the word "gyp" or "Jew" when refer to being fleeced by someone.

2) The internet, dual edged sword that it may be, is not a vast wasteland.

3) The use of as obscure a Yiddish word as "tchotchke" only exacerbates the whole uncomfortable feeling of xenophobia.

4) This whole article is twisting the use and meaning of "intrinsically disordered" in the CCC in order to trivialize the fate of gay people: "If we're all intrinsically disordered you're not special and don't need protection.

While I understand the point she could have left homosexuals out of it.

Unless, of course, that was the real point of this article.

Which it was, lets be honest here
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Old 13th March 2013, 01:28 PM
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LOL! You two & your homosexual victim cards on everything.

Read the article & quit the dramatics. You are just making the author's point. Sheesh.
Such a thing recently happened to me, on Facebook. Someone had posted an article about a Catholic pastor at a San Francisco parish who removed a portrait of His Holiness Benedict XVI because of complaints by parishioners that “Pope Benedict had made hurtful and hateful statements regarding the LGBT community.”


There followed a mostly thoughtful online debate, including helpful links to quotes by Benedict which seemed to belie the charge, and some discussion as to whether the pastor’s suggestion to his flock that “forgiving people’s shortcomings, including the pope’s, makes it easier for me to forgive my own shortcomings” was the deepest lesson to take from the incident.


After recognizing that it is a common thing to hate what one does not understand, but also—especially in our secularizing world—an increasingly common practice to willfully resist understanding what one has decided to hate, a consensus was formed: A church that so regularly preaches on the dignity of the human person “needs to listen to the gay community.” There seemed to be a mirroring agreement—albeit a vague one—that yes, the gay community needs to listen to what the Church is saying, too.
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LOL! You two & your homosexual victim cards on everything.

Read the article & quit the dramatics. You are just making the author's point. Sheesh.
I did read the article.

She's comparing a peccadillo to something that poisons every aspect of my existence.

Gluttony is nowhere defined in the catechism as any sort of disorder. It's one of the Seven Capital Sins. Homosexuality is defined, specifically as objectively AND intrinsically disordered. They're in completely separate universes with regards to gravity and effect.

As previously stated, a person who likes to eat too much is no big deal. SSA, on the other hand..."well, just sit in the pew, go to confession and just shut your mouth! Stop being so dramatic. It's no biggie that we have no use or need for you."

She's comparing her little necklace-sized cross with the ancient California Redwood sized cross of SSA.

So she has to practice a little discipline with regards to food.

Well cry me a river.

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Old 13th March 2013, 02:03 PM
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*sigh* I think you missed the point but hang on to your bitterness if it makes you feel better.
There followed a mostly thoughtful online debate, including helpful links to quotes by Benedict which seemed to belie the charge, and some discussion as to whether the pastor’s suggestion to his flock that “forgiving people’s shortcomings, including the pope’s, makes it easier for me to forgive my own shortcomings” was the deepest lesson to take from the incident.


After recognizing that it is a common thing to hate what one does not understand, but also—especially in our secularizing world—an increasingly common practice to willfully resist understanding what one has decided to hate, a consensus was formed: A church that so regularly preaches on the dignity of the human person “needs to listen to the gay community.” There seemed to be a mirroring agreement—albeit a vague one—that yes, the gay community needs to listen to what the Church is saying, too.
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LOL! You two & your homosexual victim cards on everything.

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Homosexuals ARE victims Mich.

School systems have exceptions to anti-bullying policies that allow people to bully them for "religious reasons"

They are routinely denied service of all sorts just because they're gay.

They get curbed, beaten and killed because people are scared/panicked/grossed out by them.

Imprisoned and put to death in Muslim and Christian nations all over the world

And of course

They are ostracized by trivialized by Christian Churches everywhere who on one hand claim that they are to be treated fairly and on the other hand work to ensure that they don't have to treat them fairly because it would interfere with their "religious liberty".

And of course,

over-eaters have to suffer all but none of this but are somehow just the same as homosexuals.

Just WHO is claiming false victim-hood here Mich ?
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I say we get to the topic of the OP. I'm tired of every thread being used for coming in with both snark barrels blasting while ignoring the point of the OP to turn the article into something it isn't.
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I say we get to the topic of the OP. I'm tired of every thread being used for coming in with both snark barrels blasting while ignoring the point of the OP to turn the article into something it isn't.
.....snark barrels .... ?

Look, if you don't like my interpretation of this article (and I think it's a reasonable one) fine I'm gone.
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