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Old 2nd March 2013, 11:48 AM
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M-theory

I'm curious what people think of M-theory? My understanding of M-theory, is that it propose a larger context structure universe before our universe whether the singularity occurs in our universe or not. Simply put, when two universes collide one big bang the other. The big bang theory says that matter was compressed into a tiny space, causing the big bang. According to M-theory the big bang did not began the universe. It's only a step movement forward in space and time.

So does scientists now reject the big bang or what? Is there any scientific evidence for M-theory? Should we accept M-theory and admit the big bang is just another vulgar version that created the universe and designed for people who do not think? Or should we dismiss M-theory and accept the big bang because it is the best explanation we have thus far? I think it's an either/or proposition. Either they admit it was a creation without knowable cause, or they admit that the universe existed before the big bang. They cannot have it both ways.
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I would recommend the Nova program 'The Elegant Universe.'

It explains all this in simple terms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSAwMIKKwyo


Also here, in several parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yEu-b_YD0
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I'm curious what people think of M-theory? My understanding of M-theory, is that it propose a larger context structure universe before our universe whether the singularity occurs in our universe or not. Simply put, when two universes collide one big bang the other. The big bang theory says that matter was compressed into a tiny space, causing the big bang. According to M-theory the big bang did not began the universe. It's only a step movement forward in space and time.

So does scientists now reject the big bang or what? For one thing, theists sometimes use the kalam argument as evidence for God via the big bang that the universe has a cause and a beginning, but what they fail is ignoring M-theory without knowing this. Is there is scientific evidence for M-theory? Should we accept M-theory and admit the big bang is just another vulgar version that created the universe and designed for people who do not think? Or should we refute M-theory and accept the big bang because it is the best explanation we have thus far?
All sorts of theories are being postulated now from Multiple Universes to Imaginary Time, to speculations. But they are all just that...wild speculations with the expessed intent to nullify a First Cause being personal , beyond finitism , that has a Will.... for the highly personal / incredibly obvious design of our cosmos so Humans can exist.
Enter : Imaginary madeup titilizing ideas that are as plentiful as the Mind is deep. Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong About God Not Creating the Universe

You can google the absurdities behind Many Universes popping ours into existence if you care to, but, if ONE house on a cul-de-sac requires a blueprint and Builder ... then a FEW more houses located the next block over doesnt negate the need for a blueprint and Builder all together, now does it ? No, it intensifies the requirement for One.

It would behoove the Scientist to deal with THE Universe we have and know about taking into account the near incomprehensible fine tuning necessary for it to provide and sustain us Human Beings on this extremely important speck we call our Home (Earth) .. instead of dreaming up unsubstantiated and unproven whimsical ideas to jettison our incredible all powerful PERSONAL Creator that is infinite and invisible , yet whom we will one day be in his very presence whether it be with great anticipation or great never-ending regret.
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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeDave View Post
All sorts of theories are being postulated now from Multiple Universes to Imaginary Time, to speculations. But they are all just that...wild speculations with the expessed intent to nullify a First Cause being personal , beyond finitism , that has a Will.... for the highly personal / incredibly obvious design of our cosmos so Humans can exist.
Enter : Imaginary madeup titilizing ideas that are as plentiful as the Mind is deep.

You can google the absurdities behind Many Universes popping ours into existence if you care to, but, if ONE house on a cul-de-sac requires a blueprint and Builder ... then a FEW more houses located the next block over doesnt negate the need for a blueprint and Builder all together, now does it ? No, it intensifies the requirement for One.

It would behoove the Scientist to deal with THE Universe we have and know about taking into account the near incomprehensible fine tuning necessary for it to provide and sustain us Human Beings on this extremely important speck we call our Home (Earth) .. instead of dreaming up unsubstantiated and unproven whimsical ideas to jettison our incredible all powerful PERSONAL Creator that is infinite and invisible , yet whom we will one day be in his very presence whether it be with great anticipation or great never-ending regret.
Multiverse is one mathematical outcome of an 11 dimensional model that lets physicist get past the singularity problem when modeling the Big Bang. It is not just pulled out of thin air.
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I'd say that M-theory isn't very well established. We have quite good evidence for the big bang. The question is whether there was something "before" it or whether there's some larger system this universe is part of. I wouldn't expect these larger theories, such as M-theory, to eliminate the big bang. But it could explain the big bang by placing it within a large theory.
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Multiverse is one mathematical outcomes of an 11 dimensional model that lets physicist get past the singularity problem when modeling the Big Bang. It is not just pulled out of thin air.
There are sound scientific reasons why the Big Bang Model is fallacious : BB top 30 problems . Further, it is NOT how God created our Universe ; Genesis 1 and Psalm 33 (and other passages) clearly show that God made everything during creation : FULLY formed and FULLY functioning right from the start , suddenly and completely, by his command ... just as we would expect from an all powerful, personal, loving Creator whos I.Q. is unlimited . Anything less is an affront to his person,nature, character, and revealed Word to us.

Choose this day whom you will serve / obey / and trust : God , secular Science from men who werent there when creation occured and who are constantly in the discovery process , or a hybrid-creation event infusing the latter two together so we can appear 'hip' as Christians while giving the Bible second place citizenry .
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I'd say that M-theory isn't very well established. We have quite good evidence for the big bang. The question is whether there was something "before" it or whether there's some larger system this universe is part of. I wouldn't expect these larger theories, such as M-theory, to eliminate the big bang. But it could explain the big bang by placing it within a large theory.
Watch the second video I posted. Episode 6 explains that time existed before the Big Bang.
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Recently, I read an abstract from an article which actually posited that the puzzle of life on earth could be solved via the multiverse (of course, it can't be solved via any other naturalistic explanation). Unfortunately I can't find it again.

This is the extent that modern scientific-minded philosophers will go to avoid a personal God. When I read such things, I remind myself that any scientific hypothesis is truth only to the degree that it has been tested and verified. I think the multiverse is the atheist's ultimate Hail Mary pass.
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There is no conspiracy to deny God here. There is nothing in any of this that denies the existence of God since God is outside the realm of material.

They are just following the math to its resolution.
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The theory of multiverses was brought up following the realization of just how finetuned this universe is. In order to argue that it had all happened without an intelligent being's guiding the process, the theory of an infinite number of universes came into being. Under that theory this universe could be identified as simply one of that infinite number.

As for Stephen Hawking, he is a brilliant scientist. However, I fear that his inablity to communicate except through eye movements and a talking computer has permitted others whose true agenda is to abolish all religious belief by any means possible to replace his words with their own. I watched a special in which supposedly he lectured for 4 hours. There were 2 problems with it that I noticed:

1. He had given comments on another documentary earlier, and at that time his physical condition had deteriorated to the point that he needed 2 weeks in order to make comments which were a total of less than 5 minutes. So how does he give lectures that last for 4 hours after that time, since his disease is getting progressively worse?

2. He called the point at which the Big Bang occurred the explosion of a black hole. Even astronomers know that a black hole only occurs at the end of a massive star's lifetime, rather than prior to any stars' existing. The proper name is 'singularity' because it was the precursor of hydrogen, the first element to come into existence. And Stephen Hawking would have known this.

Whoever put the words into the computer that supposedly came from Stephen Hawking should have done their homework better before attempting to masquerade as him.
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