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Originally Posted by TheYoungTurk View Post
Are you under the impression that your statement somehow changes my point? The thread gives the impression that it is only Obama who did this, even as the article shows this not to be true.
No it doesn't change your point it simply refutes it . No one with any credibility even remotely suggests that the President does everything personally. Yet he is ultimately responsible for every action of the Executive Branch. Obama didn't kill Osama but he sure took credit for it and since it was his ultimate responsibility as President he gets to do that but he cannot then turn around and give the "I didn't do it" when something happens in his administration that is negative. I cannot fathom the depths of hypocrisy it must take to rationalize how he's allowed to take credit for the actions of those under his command but is immune from responsibility for them. Exactly the opposite of every competent leader in world history and not even acceptable conduct for a night manager at a McDonald's who should he/she try to excuse him /herself for responsibility for general filthy conditions during their shift by saying "I didn't do it" right after taking personal credit for the sales increase would not find continued employment an option. Such juvenile irresponsibility might be somewhat more understandable in a low wage inexperienced middle manager but certainly not in the least tolerable in a President.
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Originally Posted by grasping the after wind View Post
No it doesn't change your point it simply refutes it.
It doesn't refute anything. There's still no evidence of grandstanding.
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Originally Posted by TheYoungTurk View Post
It doesn't refute anything. There's still no evidence of grandstanding.
I'm actually unaware of any evidence of a a speech or a statement in which the President refrains from grandstanding.
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Originally Posted by iluvatar5150 View Post
He is, but I wonder where he came up with this "moving the goalposts" notion in reference to Obama's wanting revenue increases as part of the sequester deal. When has Obama ever NOT wanted revenue increases?

ETA: Here's a link with the actual text of the email. "You’re focusing on a few specific trees that give a very wrong impression of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here. … I think you will regret staking out that claim.

That's not a threat.

-Dan.

Seriously, do you really think someone in the White House would come out and say flat out "You're a dead man," or something in an e-mail.

The threat is implied, there was no reason for them to send that e-mail in the first place.

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Bob Woodward Arrested!

Apparently there's an opening at Gitmo.
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Bob Woodward Arrested!

Apparently there's an opening at Gitmo.
I know you want to poke fun at this issue, but it looks like someone else stepped forward concerning the White House threatening people.
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Seriously, do you really think someone in the White House would come out and say flat out "You're a dead man," or something in an e-mail.

The threat is implied, there was no reason for them to send that e-mail in the first place.

Lanny Davis on WMAL 2-28-13 - YouTube
Yes there was, the sender was apologizing to Woodward for yelling at him on the phone.An apology Woodward (at least in private) accepted.

Here are some relevant bits from their exchange.
I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.
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I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start.
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I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.

To which Woodward replied:
Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob
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Originally Posted by abdAlSalam View Post
Yes there was, the sender was apologizing to Woodward for yelling at him on the phone.An apology Woodward (at least in private) accepted.
You apparently know nothing about Chicago style politics...
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You apparently know nothing about Chicago style politics...
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