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Old 22nd February 2013, 09:35 PM
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Can a spirit (non demon) possess?

Ok first I can assure you I am not joking around or taking the mickey here. I am a 40 year old guy with a normal life, I am a Roman Catholic although last time in church was about 15 years ago. But I am worried about something.
At end of January I went to a friends birthday party and I admit to being very drunk, I remember the night except for one hour. One minute I was in the bar the next I was in my friends living room at 2am talking with a few others. I didnt think much of it until a few days later when my friend called me saying she needed to ask me something. She wanted to know what I remember so I told her but she wanted to know if I remember being outside the bar and in her kitchen which I dont. It was then that she told me what happened.
About a year ago one of her closet friends took his own life and that night she said she saw him in me plus I was rambling on about working for the government and things that had happened. Now she said she was shocked and didnt believe it at first but others too see this and couldnt believe it. They all said it was this guy who took his own life. I never knew this guy as he died before I knew my friend. She has had someone come into her home since this has happened to do a spiritual reading or something and this guy picked up on her friend and he said her deceased friend is sorry for what he did to the drunk man (me) that night but he had to get a message through. I have told her I am ok with it but the truth is that I am scared. I believe in Jesus but I have never believed in spirits walking the earth or possession but this has me freaked. I am sorry if this is not the right place to put this but been searching online and I cant find any information on this. Should I see someone? Can this really happen? I say im scared but freaked maybe a better word.
Sorry if this sounds all a bit crazy.
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Old 22nd February 2013, 10:03 PM
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Wow . . People are going to be surprised at the answer I give you, but here goes.

I remember a conversation I had with a friend years ago where we talked about just this subject. At first I was adamant that this could not happen. But as we both dug into it, we came across something - and my memory is so foggy now about it, all I can remember is it was in Catholic or EO writings and there was a specific name for it. But beyond that I can't recall right now. I don't even know if I can find the references I found before - and I have some vague memory there may have been a discussion about it here at CF. But without remembering the right key words, don't know how to adequately filter the search.

Wait . . . . I think I remember . . maybe not lol

What you need to do is talk to your priest immediately, and even seek out the exorcist for your Archdiocese and speak to him for discernment.

What you do not know is what this experience was. You don't know its source and this is nothing to play around with.

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First - before you or her get carried away - 'psychic' readers 'lead' ppl into giving them information.
It is always a question form. "Do you know someone who recently killed themselves - i sense sadness...'
Well, ppl might know 2-3 ppl ever who killed themselves - but the first one to pop into their head is the one they were closest to.
Then they ask other leading questions. Was this a guy? etc etc.
Now if someone was actually speaking - [and souls in purgatory can find folks who actually do hear them] - it would be a definitive speech.
There is ONE message a soul in purgatory wants - and its prayers.
Chances are - to gleam 'knowledge' via a message - it would not be from a good source.

Since most ppl do not remember how they 'got answers' to their questions - they only remember the 'coincidental' things.
Now i grant you - evil spirits can indeed work it both ways.

They can possess - and then lead [inspire] someone to use a psychic to which 'backs them up' because psychics are usually open to evil because of 'what they do' and procure 'knowledge' of the future.

Any procurement of knowledge - intentionally - and usually with compensation - is letting evil forces use them.
And if there really was a message thru you - it wouldnt be a good thing.

Now you can fret over this - and go find a priest as soon as possible.
And you can seek a priest for confession [obviously easy access of the will to something bad isnt considered good news] To put it nicely.

OR

You can relax, go to confession - and forget this happened - move on - return to Mass and the Church and find strength in God and His protection.
Therefore being able to relax...

Two things are possible:
1) It really happened [which case it isnt good]
2) The 'psychic' was leading to obtain 'answers' through fictitious means.

One thing for sure - messages that procure future events may be evil.
[Not sure about warnings] Souls [might] be able to warn us.
Though it's not likely a good soul [souls in purgatory] would take advantage of someone in an inebriated state.

I think more info is needed. What were the messages [supposedly]? did the 'psychic' use leading questions to fish for answers?

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7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

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Old 22nd February 2013, 10:19 PM
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TLF - we 'both' know the 'bad side' of indulging in getting information via the other side.

Psychics may be able to genuinely 'obtain' info from a soul in need - generally tho, this [if its real] sounds more of the evil flavor.
Souls in purgatory can only 'reach out' if God allows them.

The Catholic church is full of occasions over the centuries where Saints and departed souls from purgatory have appeared to various mystics of the Church and other countless individuals, so the possibility does in fact exist within accepted Catholic belief that the spirits of the deceased could come and give messages.

I have never heard of souls participating with 'compensated psychics'.
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7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

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2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.
2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.



Experiences and sessions with mediums and psychics should be strongly avoided by everyone
One of the obvious reasons why God condemns necromancy is because of the very real and grave danger of a medium or psychic being misled by an evil spirit(s), and thereby also seriously misleading the persons involved. The demons prowl about the world seeking to deceive and ruin souls and neglecting this fact is potentially catastrophic to one's soul. And then too there are of course those psychics and mediums who are complete frauds and who willfully deceive for monetary profit.

Also, persons who actively seek out messages from the dead through channelling sessions with mediums and those who seek the advice of psychics run the possible risk of sin themselves by patronising and encouraging the act of conjuring of spirits invoked by mediums and psychics, along with also running the very obvious risk of being deceived, even by the most well meaning and sincere medium or psychic, because of the very nature of the sin of necromancy. Therefore, all persons should avoid seeking personal sessions with mediums and psychics.
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One of President Obama's top aides, David Axelrod, declared: “the era of cheap gasoline is over.” Under President Obama, gas prices have increased about $2.00 per gallon on average.


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Well, I am no expert but my antennae and the hairs on the back of my neck rise bout no permission asked or given, just taken over huh. I would run to the nearest Priest, would fall on my knees in prayer to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and ask St. Michael's help. Good never over rides anyone and takes over IMO.
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TLF - we 'both' know the 'bad side' of indulging in getting information via the other side.
You NEVER indulge. He didn't participate in that and I didnt' see any indication that he wanted to. That's something that the girl did which was wrong and opens herself to more spiritual problems.

What the question seems to be is did this really happen? And if it did, did a soul take possession to communicate through him? Or is it always demonic if it happens?

My friend had a favorite term for when demons pretend to be something they aren't. . . she called them "demons in drag" - a fitting term.

So, what's not known is what is the source of this. This is why I am telilng him to talk to his priest and even an exorcist for discernment (I'm not saying he needs to be exorcised).

That he has no memory, was not conscious of what was happening, was not in control of what was happening, would speak against it being, if it really happened, something God would permit.


Psychics may be able to genuinely 'obtain' info from a soul in need - generally tho, this [if its real] sounds more of the evil flavor.
Souls in purgatory can only 'reach out' if God allows them.
Yes I have to agree.

This should not be ignored one way or the other.


Also, this is a very good reason not to ever get inebriated again.

The Catholic church is full of occasions over the centuries where Saints and departed souls from purgatory have appeared to various mystics of the Church and other countless individuals, so the possibility does in fact exist within accepted Catholic belief that the spirits of the deceased could come and give messages.

I have never heard of souls participating with 'compensated psychics'.
I would highly doubt that too. lol
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Well, I am no expert but my antennae and the hairs on the back of my neck rise bout no permission asked or given, just taken over huh. I would run to the nearest Priest, would fall on my knees in prayer to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and ask St. Michael's help. Good never over rides anyone and takes over IMO.
That's the big red flag right there.
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I'm removing the link to the story as I had forgotten how much reiance there was on psychics for her to find the donor, but in effect, woman had a heart lung transplant and began to have cravings and thoughts and personality changes that were completely unlike her prior to the transplants - she discovers who the donor is and that these new changes match up perfectly with him.

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tlf if you find those references could you post them?
cause im interested

all ill say is pray the Jesus prayer
and ask st michael for protection

can this happen?
i dunno
my bet is on you were so drunk you blacked out (common) and you said some crazy stuff that ppl interpreted a certain way
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