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Post Who Did Cain Fear, And Who Did He Marry?

Genesis chapter 4 is the brief story of Cain and Abel, the offpsring of Adam and Eve. In the story, Cain kills Abel, and fears being banished by God because he is afraid that someone will kill him. Here's the conundrum...

Who was he afraid of, since the only people alive at the time, according to creation, were Adam, Eve, Cain and the now deceased Abel? If he was banished and sent out away from his parents, who was around to kill him? The Bible doesn't say.

The second conundrum is the fact that Cain moves to the land of Nod, and it is there that he marrries a woman (not Eve) and has a son named Enoch. Where did she come from, if Eve was the only female on earth at that time? Again, the Bible doesn't say.

This is why I, and so many others, do not take Genesis (or a lot of the rest of the Bible) literally. There are too many unanswered questions, contradictons, discrepanices and things that just don't add up.

However, let's take a quick step back for a moment and look at Genesis chapter 1, verses 26-31. God creates man and woman, not as singular individuals, but as multitudes, and instructs them to procreate. Thus ended "day 6."

God rests on "day 7."

The Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve aren't created until chapter 2, AFTER "day 7." It would seem that Adam and Eve were created specifically for the Garden of Eden, but were not the first humans. Some argue that chapter 2 is a recount of chapter 1, but that is subject to personal opinion.

If my theory is correct, then the multitudes were created first, and populated the world, and THEN Adam and Eve were created for the Garden, and their offspring of Cain and Abel were born. That would explain who Cain feared if he was banished, and it would explain why he was able to marry a woman and have Enoch. This scenario seems far more logical (and you don't have to have a lot of far stretched theories and spin jobs, to make it work).

Straight out of the Bible, Genesis chapters 1, 2 and 4.
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there were people alive...theologically they are pre-adamites and not created after the image of God. But people none the less.
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Originally Posted by gasman64 View Post
there were people alive...theologically they are pre-adamites and not created after the image of God. But people none the less.
When you say this, are you trying to give support to the Old Earth Creationist views? Are you referring to non-homo sapiens animals belonging to the homo genus?
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Originally Posted by SilentShadow100 View Post
When you say this, are you trying to give support to the Old Earth Creationist views? Are you referring to non-homo sapiens animals belonging to the homo genus?

does that matter? The genesis account has no problems with an old earth what with 'yowm' meaning age and not day.
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Originally Posted by gasman64 View Post
does that matter? The genesis account has no problems with an old earth what with 'yowm' meaning age and not day.
I just need to know exactly what you were saying because the post was so ambiguous.
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Originally Posted by Primi Agminis View Post
Genesis chapter 4 is the brief story of Cain and Abel, the offpsring of Adam and Eve. In the story, Cain kills Abel, and fears being banished by God because he is afraid that someone will kill him. Here's the conundrum...

Who was he afraid of, since the only people alive at the time, according to creation, were Adam, Eve, Cain and the now deceased Abel? If he was banished and sent out away from his parents, who was around to kill him? The Bible doesn't say.

The second conundrum is the fact that Cain moves to the land of Nod, and it is there that he marrries a woman (not Eve) and has a son named Enoch. Where did she come from, if Eve was the only female on earth at that time? Again, the Bible doesn't say.

This is why I, and so many others, do not take Genesis (or a lot of the rest of the Bible) literally. There are too many unanswered questions, contradictons, discrepanices and things that just don't add up.

However, let's take a quick step back for a moment and look at Genesis chapter 1, verses 26-31. God creates man and woman, not as singular individuals, but as multitudes, and instructs them to procreate. Thus ended "day 6."

God rests on "day 7."

The Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve aren't created until chapter 2, AFTER "day 7." It would seem that Adam and Eve were created specifically for the Garden of Eden, but were not the first humans. Some argue that chapter 2 is a recount of chapter 1, but that is subject to personal opinion.

If my theory is correct, then the multitudes were created first, and populated the world, and THEN Adam and Eve were created for the Garden, and their offspring of Cain and Abel were born. That would explain who Cain feared if he was banished, and it would explain why he was able to marry a woman and have Enoch. This scenario seems far more logical (and you don't have to have a lot of far stretched theories and spin jobs, to make it work).

Straight out of the Bible, Genesis chapters 1, 2 and 4.
Cain married one of his sisters. Adam and Eve had 25 children - 16 boys and 9 girls. We are all the product of incest.
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Originally Posted by SilentShadow100 View Post
I just need to know exactly what you were saying because the post was so ambiguous.
it was a short answer and to the point. not ambiguous at all
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Cain married one of his sisters. Adam and Eve had 25 children - 16 boys and 9 girls. We are all the product of incest.
Where do you get those numbers from?
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you would also wonder how cain knew that his sacrifice wasn't acceptable to god, as if god was standing there showing dissaproval. i think it's just that the writer didn't think about where all these other people came from.
the biblical scenario for the origin of life, goes against the genetic evidence that humans have been around for about 60,000 years, and started out as about 10,000 individuals, and other lifeforms go back through the geologic ages.
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you would also wonder how cain knew that his sacrifice wasn't acceptable to god, as if god was standing there showing dissaproval. i think it's just that the writer didn't think about where all these other people came from.
the biblical scenario for the origin of life, goes against the genetic evidence that humans have been around for about 60,000 years, and started out as about 10,000 individuals, and other lifeforms go back through the geologic ages.
People have been around for about 300,000 years. Geneticist have confirmed that the Dog, no matter what breed or geographic location it is found, has the Grey Wolf for an ancestor. Morover, and what stunned the anthropologist, it was domesticated some 150,000 years ago. This points to at least primitive civilization being present a hundred thousand years earlier than previously thought.
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