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According to the Old Testament context "sons of God" typically means Angels

in John chapter 1 it shows that we are given the "right" to be sons of God through Jesus Christ .

In the Luke Genealogy it shows Adam was a son of God .

So i deduce after the fall that "right" was lost.

in the letters it says we will be the sons of the resurrection complementing the angels who are also sons.

also there's a sense that son in the non biological sense i.e. the pharisees being called children of hell and the devil etc . Jesus referring to himself and John the Baptizer as children of "wisdom" etc etc.

In short . though it sounds really weird .. the evidence seems to amount to angels having sex with human women and having offspring . and this is the stuff of legends .

somehow the "fallen" appeared before and after the flood as it is mentioned in scripture . Joshua saw them also . that also raises some questions.
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Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
"Splicing genes/cutting roots", in Enoch:
The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
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And in the book of Jasher, chapter 4, the fallen judges and rulers mixed kinds [the Dan; Watchers/ben elohym -sons of God, set over Adamkind, as heavenly rulers]:

18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men/Adam and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice,
and the sons of men/Adam in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other,

in order therewith to provoke the Lord;

and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.


19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.

20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.

21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.
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Originally Posted by Michael Collum View Post
According to the Old Testament context "sons of God" typically means Angels

in John chapter 1 it shows that we are given the "right" to be sons of God through Jesus Christ .

In the Luke Genealogy it shows Adam was a son of God .

So i deduce after the fall that "right" was lost.

in the letters it says we will be the sons of the resurrection complementing the angels who are also sons.

also there's a sense that son in the non biological sense i.e. the pharisees being called children of hell and the devil etc . Jesus referring to himself and John the Baptizer as children of "wisdom" etc etc.

In short . though it sounds really weird .. the evidence seems to amount to angels having sex with human women and having offspring . and this is the stuff of legends .

somehow the "fallen" appeared before and after the flood as it is mentioned in scripture . Joshua saw them also . that also raises some questions.
Jude makes it clear that those angels/sons of God, who fornicated with daughters of Adam before the flood were chained in Sheol at the flood as examples to other angels not to do that fornication, as a warning.
Jude also says that Sodom and Gomorrah [hence, we get sodomy and Gonnorhea] were nuked with the example of everlasting fire as a warning to others of Adam's race not to fornicate like that; but neither angels nor Adam kind have heeded the warning, and the examples are only a small foretaste of the "REAL DEAL" to come on all those who do as they did.
After the flood, more angels fell, as Moses also wrote; "and also after that [flood]..."Goliath was a nephilim, a son of a fallen watcher named Anak and the Anakim were from that one, but they never reached the great heights they had reached before the flood, but they were mighty big, and got smaller and smaller over the centuries.


The tares run around in the world, with human being sons of Adam, but they are the wicked who go astray, speaking lies, as soon as they are born, who cannot be redeemed, nor shall their dead bodies rise - because they are stolen flesh bodies, and the demons who are separated from those bodies will never get them back, but will be cast into the Lake of Fire without those bodies.
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"Splicing genes/cutting roots", in Enoch:
The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
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Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme
God set boundaries within the kinds so that they do not mix. He commanded the kinds to multiply themselves by the seed within them. That is the Word's doctrine on the multiplication of the kinds by the seed created within themselves.

The sons of God spliced genes, and taught the mixing of kinds, by unlawful mixing, which is iniquity, and made monsters.
There were two ארי אל lion el/god -little g, mixed kinds in Samuel and Chronicles.
It is being done today, also, by mixing DNA of kinds, and God forbids it.
God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds. -Next time, he cleanses the earth by fire.
There were the giants called "terrors" -nightmare causing creatures called "ימים Yem [im]" in Hebrew- in Moab, that Anah saw.

Genesis 36:24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.
Emim אימ ים = "terrors/plural".

What Anah saw was written in the Book of Jasher, chapter 36::


Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.



2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.
"Splicing genes/cutting roots", in Enoch:
The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
The Watchers Redefine Marriage

7 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants.
2And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants,

whose height was three thousand ells: 3Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. 4And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
5And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.
6Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones

The Book of the Giants, in the Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts, [written by Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam] also testifies to the mixing of kinds, to provoke God, and to make monsters:
Book of Giants -- Reconstructed Texts
A summary statement of the descent of the wicked angels, bringing both knowledge and havoc. Compare Genesis 6:1-2, 4.

1Q23 Frag. 9 + 14 + 15 2[ . . . ] they knew the secrets of [ . . . ] 3[ . . . si]n was great in the earth [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] and they killed manY [ . . ] 5[ . . . they begat] giants [ . . . ]


The angels exploit the fruifulness of the earth.

4Q531 Frag. 3 2[ . . . everything that the] earth produced [ . . . ] [ . . . ] the great fish [ . . . ] 14[ . . . ] the sky with all that grew [ . . . ] 15[ . . . fruit of] the earth and all kinds of grain and al1 the trees [ . . . ] 16[ . . . ] beasts and reptiles . . . [al]l creeping things of the earth and they observed all [ . . . ] |8[ . . . eve]ry harsh deed and [ . . . ] utterance [ . . . ] l9[ . . . ] male and female, and among humans [ . . . ]


The two hundred angels choose animals on which to perform unnatural acts, including, presumably, humans.

1Q23 Frag. 1 + 6 [ . . . two hundred] 2donkeys, two hundred asses, two hundred . . . rams of the] 3flock, two hundred goats, two hundred [ . . . beast of the] 4field from every animal, from every [bird . . . ] 5[ . . . ] for miscegenation [ . . . ]


The outcome of the demonic corruption was violence, perversion, and a brood of monstrous beings. Compare Genesis 6:4.

4Q531 Frag. 2 [ . . . ] they defiled [ . . . ] 2[ . . . they begot] giants and monsters [ . . . ] 3[ . . . ] they begot, and, behold, all [the earth was corrupted . . . ] 4[ . . . ] with its blood and by the hand of [ . . . ] 5[giantís] which did not suffice for them and [ . . . ] 6[ . . . ] and they were seeking to devour many [ . . . ] 7[ . . . ] 8[ . . . ] the monsters attacked it.


4Q532 Col. 2 Frags. 1 - 6 2[ . . . ] flesh [ . . . ] 3al[l . . . ] monsters [ . . . ] will be [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] they would arise [ . . . ] lacking in true knowledge [ . . . ] because [ . . . ] 5[ . . . ] the earth [grew corrupt . . . ] mighty [ . . . ] 6[ . . . ] they were considering [ . . . ] 7[ . . . ] from the angels upon [ . . . ] 8[ . . . ] in the end it will perish and die [ . . . ] 9[ . . . ] they caused great corruption in the [earth . . . ] [ . . . this did not] suffice to [ . . . ] "they will be [ . . . ]


The giants begin to be troubled by a series of dreams and visions. Mahway, the titan son of the angel Barakel, reports the first of these dreams to his fellow giants. He sees a tablet being immersed in water. When it emerges, all but three names have been washed away. The dream evidently symbolizes the destruction of all but Noah and his sons by the Flood.

2Q26 [ . . . ] they drenched the tablet in the wa[ter . . . ] 2[ . . . ] the waters went up over the [tablet . . . ] 3[ . . . ] they lifted out the tablet from the water of [ . . . ]


The giant goes to the others and they discuss the dream.


4Q530 Frag.7 [ . . . this vision] is for cursing and sorrow. I am the one who confessed 2[ . . . ] the whole group of the castaways that I shall go to [ . . . ] 3[ . . . the spirits of the sl]ain complaining about their killers and crying out 4[ . . . ] that we shall die together and be made an end of [ . . . ] much and I will be sleeping, and bread 6[ . . . ] for my dwelling; the vision and also [ . . . ] entered into the gathering of the giants 8[ . . . ]

6Q8 [ . . . ] Ohya and he said to Mahway [ . . . ] 2[ . . . ] without trembling. Who showed you all this vision, [my] brother? 3[ . . . ] Barakel, my father, was with me. 4[ . . . ] Before Mahway had finished telling what [he had seen . . . ] 5[ . . . said] to him, Now I have heard wonders! If a barren woman gives birth [ . . . ]

4Q530 Frag. 4 3[There]upon Ohya said to Ha[hya . . . ] 4[ . . . to be destroyed] from upon the earth and [ . . . ] 5[ . . . the ea]rth. When 6[ . . . ] they wept before [the giants . . . ]

4Q530 Frag. 7 3[ . . . ] your strength [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] 5Thereupon Ohya [said] to Hahya [ . . . ] Then he answered, It is not for 6us, but for Azaiel, for he did [ . . . the children of] angels 7are the giants, and they would not let all their poved ones] be neglected [. . . we have] not been cast down; you have strength [ . . . ]


The giants realize the futility of fighting against the forces of heaven. The first speaker may be Gilgamesh.

4Q531 Frag. 1 3[ . . . I am a] giant, and by the mighty strength of my arm and my own great strength 4[ . . . any]one mortal, and I have made war against them; but I am not [ . . . ] able to stand against them, for my opponents 6[ . . . ] reside in [Heav]en, and they dwell in the holy places. And not 7[ . . . they] are stronger than I. 8[ . . . ] of the wild beast has come, and the wild man they call [me].

9[ . . . ] Then Ohya said to him, I have been forced to have a dream [ . . . ] the sleep of my eyes [vanished], to let me see a vision. Now I know that on [ . . . ] 11-12[ . . . ] Gilgamesh [ . . . ]


Ohyaís dream vision is of a tree that is uprooted except for three of its roots; the visionís import is the same as that of the first dream.

6Q8 Frag. 2 1three of its roots [ . . . ] [while] I was [watching,] there came [ . . . they moved the roots into] 3this garden, all of them, and not [ . . . ]


Ohya tries to avoid the implications of the visions. Above he stated that it referred only to the demon Azazel; here he suggests that the destruction is for the earthly rulers alone.

4Q530 Col. 2 1concerns the death of our souls [ . . . ] and all his comrades, [and Oh]ya told them what Gilgamesh said to him 2[ . . . ] and it was said [ . . . ] "concerning [ . . . ] the leader has cursed the potentates" 3and the giants were glad at his words. Then he turned and left [ . . . ]



More dreams afflict the giants. The details of this vision are obscure, but it bodes ill for the giants. The dreamers speak first to the monsters, then to the giants.

Thereupon two of them had dreams 4and the sleep of their eye, fled from them, and they arose and came to [ . . . and told] their dreams, and said in the assembly of [their comrades] the monsters 6[ . . . In] my dream I was watching this very night 7[and there was a garden . . . ] gardeners and they were watering 8[ . . . two hundred trees and] large shoots came out of their root 9[ . . . ] all the water, and the fire burned all 10[the garden . . . ] They found the giants to tell them 11[the dream . . . ]


Someone suggests that Enoch be found to interpret the vision.

[ . . . to Enoch] the noted scribe, and he will interpret for us 12the dream. Thereupon his fellow Ohya declared and said to the giants, 13I too had a dream this night, O giants, and, behold, the Ruler of Heaven came down to earth 14[ . . . ] and such is the end of the dream. [Thereupon] all th e giants [and monsters! grew afraid 15and called Mahway. He came to them and the giants pleaded with him and sent him to Enoch 16[the noted scribe]. They said to him, Go [ . . . ] to you that 17[ . . . ] you have heard his voice. And he said to him, He wil1 [ . . . and] interpret the dreams [ . . . ] Col. 3 3[ . . . ] how long the giants have to live. [ . . . ]


After a cosmic journey Mahway comes to Enoch and makes his request.

[ . . . he mounted up in the air] 41ike strong winds, and flew with his hands like ea[gles . . . he left behind] 5the inhabited world and passed over Desolation, the great desert [ . . . ] 6and Enoch saw him and hailed him, and Mahway said to him [ . . . ] 7hither and thither a second time to Mahway [ . . . The giants awaig 8your words, and all the monsters of the earth. If [ . . . ] has been carried [ . . . ] 9from the days of [ . . . ] their [ . . . ] and they will be added [ . . . ] 10[ . . . ] we would know from you their meaning [ . . . ] 11[ . . . two hundred tr]ees that from heaven [came down . . . ]


Enoch sends back a tablet with its grim message of judgment, but with hope for repentance.

4Q530 Frag. 2 The scribe [Enoch . . . ] 2[ . . . ] 3a copy of the second tablet that [Epoch] se[nt . . . ] 4in the very handwriting of Enoch the noted scribe [ . . . In the name of God the great] 5and holy one, to Shemihaza and all [his companions . . . ] 61et it be known to you that not [ . . . ] 7and the things you have done, and that your wives [ . . . ] 8they and their sons and the wives of [their sons . . . ] 9by your licentiousness on the earth, and there has been upon you [ . . . and the land is crying out] 10and complaining about you and the deeds of your children [ . . . ] 11the harm that you have done to it. [ . . . ] 12until Raphael arrives, behold, destruction [is coming, a great flood, and it will destroy all living things] 13and whatever is in the deserts and the seas. And the meaning of the matter [ . . . ] 14upon you for evil. But now, loosen the bonds bi[nding you to evil . . . ] l5and pray.


A fragment apparently detailing a vision that Enoch saw.

4Q531 Frag. 7 3[ . . . great fear] seized me and I fell on my face; I heard his voice [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] he dwelt among human beings but he did not learn from them [ . . . ]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/gigantes/esp_gigantes_3.htm


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Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
God set boundaries within the kinds so that they do not mix. He commanded the kinds to multiply themselves by the seed within them. That is the Word's doctrine on the multiplication of the kinds by the seed created within themselves.

The sons of God spliced genes, and taught the mixing of kinds, by unlawful mixing, which is iniquity, and made monsters.
There were two ארי אל lion el/god -little g, mixed kinds in Samuel and Chronicles.
It is being done today, also, by mixing DNA of kinds, and God forbids it.
God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds. -Next time, he cleanses the earth by fire.
There were the giants called "terrors" -nightmare causing creatures called "ימים Yem [im]" in Hebrew- in Moab, that Anah saw.

Genesis 36:24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.
Emim אימ ים = "terrors/plural".

What Anah saw was written in the Book of Jasher, chapter 36::


Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.



2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.
Yes, And gene splicing is happening today. Ever heard of a 12 ft tall cat called a liger, splice between a lion and a tiger?


And the mad scientists have learned to sequence the human genome. For what reason?
Human Genome Project Information

So what will they be mixing humans with in the future? Good question to ask since the Lord Jesus said that it would be as it was in the days of Noah when He returns. And according to the book of Enoch, there was a lot more than eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage going on. The Bible said there was a lot of evil going on continually. So much so that God repented of having created man on the Earth. Today there is drug induced demon possession.


Of course they know how to clone animals and humans(illegal) these days, and congress is even debating the ethical treatment of human clones. Are clones considered human? Do clones have a soul? Will clones have human rights.

What about this scripture.

Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.KJV

Now this is talking about gene splicing. It is very clear. The book of Ecclesiastes says this.

Ecc. 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Ecc. 3:
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

So, essentially Lord Jesus backs up the word of Solomon .
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Yes, And gene splicing is happening today. Ever heard of a 12 ft tall cat called a liger, splice between a lion and a tiger?


And the mad scientists have learned to sequence the human genome. For what reason?
Human Genome Project Information

So what will they be mixing humans with in the future? Good question to ask since the Lord Jesus said that it would be as it was in the days of Noah when He returns. And according to the book of Enoch, there was a lot more than eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage going on. The Bible said there was a lot of evil going on continually. So much so that God repented of having created man on the Earth. Today there is drug induced demon possession.


Of course they know how to clone animals and humans(illegal) these days, and congress is even debating the ethical treatment of human clones. Are clones considered human? Do clones have a soul? Will clones have human rights.

What about this scripture.

Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.KJV

Now this is talking about gene splicing. It is very clear. The book of Ecclesiastes says this.

Ecc. 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Ecc. 3:
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

So, essentially Lord Jesus backs up the word of Solomon .
Yep.
I believe that the tares are nephillim, gathered by angels and thrown into the Lake of Fire at Jesus' return, because they have already been judged, and their judgment is written in the Book of Enoch.

The tares, then, include the disembodied nephillim who are called "evil spirits" on earth, as Enoch wrote by the Word of the LORD, and living beings who look human -or not, and are gathered.
These creatures are called "bastards" and "sons of lawlessness", in Enoch. Any son of Adam is not a "bastard", for the father of the race is Adam, whose seed they are; but the nephillim have stolen flesh bodies and they are therefore bastards, and "sons of lawlessness".

The "son of lawlessness" is another name for the man of sin, and I think he must be a nephillim, because he is thrown directly into the lake of fire, when Jesus returns, and does not get to stand in a judgment, because his judgment is already written in Enoch, if he is indeed, a nephillim.
On the cat kind, though, the men are doing the mixing unlawfully, but the cat kind is legal to mix.
There are human genes added to mice, and goats, and cows and who knows what?
A mermaid and merman was apparently a monster made from mixing kinds, too.

On tablets from Sumaria -ancient Babylon- there are pictures in relief of giants and mixed kinds. There are "insectoids", and other monsters depicted.
In Egypt, there are mixed kinds depicted, used as temple servants, and who knows what all.

As to your question: the spirit of the kind has its own flesh DNA pattern to build the house for the soul come to fruit in the kind. If a kind is mixed, the spirit of the kind is not producing the body God commanded it to do, for that soul to have as its house, and what is produced is totally a "lawless kind", and is illegal before God, and no; there is not salvation until after 10 generations of back-breeding into humananity, it seems -for a Canaanite could not come into the congregation of YHWH until the 10th generation: [the male line carries the seed, and therefore the spirit, of the kind; a female can come into the congregation of YHWH and marry into Israel, and bear legal offspring that are not Canaanite offspring, being married into Israel, because the spirit of the kind is from the seed of the father.
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Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
The sons of God spliced genes
In the words of an old professor of mine, "Sez who?" What's your source for that notion? We 'sposed to believe that the old patriarch Enoch mentions gene splicing in what are allegedly his writings? Did he happen to mention whether he favored Windows or Linux while he was at it?

God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds.
Funny,that isn't what Scripture says, at all.

Sounds like with the right combination of pseudo-biblical and pseudepigraphical stuff and a goodly dollop of imagination, you can gen up just about any kind of fantasy you like and claim that it should have been Scripture. But it wasn't Scripture, and it isn't true.
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There are 11 references to "sons of God" in the bible.
Gen 6:2
Gen 6:4
Job 1:6
Job 2:1
Job 38:7
John 1:12
Rom 8:14
Rom 8:19
Php 2:15
1 Jn 3:1
1 Jn 3:2

Take too long for me to type them all out. Those verses in the old testament imply that the sons of God are heavenly beings. The veses of the NT all state that we are the sons of God. "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God."----"..we are the children of God." "That ye may be harmless and blameless, the sons of God..." Some say that this means that the sons of God in the OT can only be angels, since we are not called the sons of God until the NT. By that reasoning, no human before the time of Christ were sons of God. That would be utterly ridiculous, as the bible says that we are heirs of God--it would mean that no one before Christ came would be saved which obviously is not true.
In the bible, anytime an angel is mentioned by name--it is a male name. Did God make only male angels?? Jesus says in Mark 12:25--"for when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry or are given in marriage, but are as the angels which are in heaven."---That implies that the angels are sexless. For God says that sex is only permitted when married. And if He says it's a sin to have sex without marriage on earth, no way is He going to allow it in heaven where there is no sin. Why would God make angels able to have sex, but be unable to have it?--God told His earthly creations to go forth and multiply--that is not mentioned about the angels.
Jesus cast out demons while on earth, and so did His disciples. That means humans can be possessed by demons, as can animals, as Christ sent the demons of one man into a herd of pigs. That does not mean they have the power to impregnate a human, or an animal. Jesus never mentioned such a thing. There are no humans with anything other than human DNA.
When God created man and all animals, he said "after their kind."---that made it impossible for animals and humans to interbreed, or for humans to have children by anything other than another human.
Adam and Eve were created perfect, and there is no record of how tall they were. They could have been 10 feet tall or more for all we know, and those genes would have been passed on down to all of their offspring including to Noah and his children. It was after the flood that the lifespan of man was shortened, and probably their height also dwindled down except for a few that survived into the time of David and Goliath--the Caananites were giants when Moses sent out spies to check out the land. Nowhere does it say they were the product of angels (fallen or not) and humans. Today we have very tall people--they are not half demon.
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Originally Posted by Handmaid for Jesus View Post
Yes, And gene splicing is happening today. Ever heard of a 12 ft tall cat called a liger, splice between a lion and a tiger?
The accent in the word "liger" as used to descibe a "12 f tall cat", is on "lie". Anyway, you don't need gene splicing to get yerself your own live liger. All you need is one tiger and one lion, of opposite sexes, and persuade 'em to make whoopie. Barring that, you can use artificial insemination. The resulting "liger" is, as I recall, sterile, as are mules, and beefalo, and other such cross-breeds.

So what will they be mixing humans with in the future?
Maybe something to make 'em smarter wouldn't hurt.

Are clones considered human? Do clones have a soul? Will clones have human rights.
Good grief, can anyone seriously ask these questions? A clone is a genetic twin of the parent critter, punto. Do identical twins have separate souls? Are they human, or is one human and the other not? Can you legally kill one twin using the argument that there were two of 'em anyway, so what's the problem? What about kids conceived in vitro? Are they human? (I hope so, my neighbor's granddaughter, their "jokomon kongju (little princess), aka the Million Dollar Baby, is a "test tube" child, and it'd break their hearts to find out that she somehow wasn't really human.

Is that where we've ended up, making up scary stories out of fear and ignorance and trying to paste it into the Faith once delivered unto the saints? Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison!
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