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Old 21st January 2013, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackguard_ View Post
Exactly. The real reason they want these "safety" measures is not to recall defective guns, but to point to cases of misuse and abuse as evidence a gun is "unsafe" and recall and regulate guns as a way to ban them.
So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.

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Old 21st January 2013, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.

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It is very paranoid. There are certain types of weapons (9mm handguns come to mind) that are very prone to jamming upon firing. To a novice gun owner, they might try to fire with a jam (oh, maybe I didn't press it hard enough) and could cause an accident. If guns can jam as easily as the 9mms, there needs to be a recall until it can be fixed.

I own a .22 rifle, and had a 12 gauge shotgun when I turned 13. My dad has all types of pistols, has an AR-15, has had an AK-47, and so on. I don't either of us would think 'zomgosh government taking mah guns" if there was a recall effort to make sure that guns are created in a manner to ensure they operate correctly. I would think that most gun owners would want their guns to work properly...
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Old 21st January 2013, 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.

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Do people seriously buy Jennings and Bryco pistols or anything that resembles a Jennings or a Bryco pistol?
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Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.

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It's called you guys already tried this tactic, not paranoia when your side has a track record of pulling these kinds of stunts...
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So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.
No, but when gun banners are trying to re-brand themselves as "gun safety advocates", I don't trust them with the definition of "defective".

Can you tell, or do you even care about, the difference between a misused or abused gun and a defective one?
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Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
So even if the gun manufactureres were to put a defective product on the market, a government recall should be interpreted as "backdoor" method in an attempt to ban them.

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Guns are sacred. Get used to it.
Guns are things to be used, not worshipped.
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Guns are things to be used, not worshipped.
That's a down-right unAmerican attitude.
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Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
Guns are the most lethal product sold to the American public
Actually, that would be cars...

There are 300 million guns in the US
11,000 homicides per year
63,000 gun injuries (non-fatal)

There are 255 million cars in the US
37,000 deaths per year
2.2 million auto injuries (non-fatal)

Even if you lump the accidental shootings/killings and suicide, cars still take the cake in terms of probability of danger.
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