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Old 12th January 2013, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by A2SG View Post
I'm well aware of the Ninth Amendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

....Your point?

-- A2SG, if you're just here to list amendments that don't get a lot of press, I like the 24th.....
Even if it means what you think it means, it can't be construed to limit other rights.

Basically, even if the Second Amendment only applies to militias organized by the state, that cannot be interpreted, under the Constitution, to have any effect on the right to bear arms.
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Old 12th January 2013, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All Englands Skies View Post
I aint forgetting nothing.

If you're anchoring on US Military Force abroad, that has nothing to do with your second amendment, as every country without a second amendment has armed forces exept for Iceland, if a second amendment equates to armed forces, the UK doesnt have a second amendment, so wouldnt have an Armed force by that logic.
I was 'anchoring' on WW2 when gun-happy Americans saved your bacon.
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Old 13th January 2013, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by oldwiseguy View Post
I was 'anchoring' on WW2 when gun-happy Americans saved your bacon.

Where were you in 1939?

Oh yeah, you only got involved when the Japanese gave you a nasty suprise.

While we were under siege, taking a battering on Polands behalf.

Again, your military force had nothing to do with your second amendment as we in the UK, Canada, Australia and many other Countries have no such "second amendment" and guess what?, we still had Armies, Navies and Air Forces!!!!!

Also if we should be thanking anybody for smashing into the Germans, its actually the Russians who dished out the most damage to them.
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Originally Posted by All Englands Skies View Post
Where were you in 1939?

Oh yeah, you only got involved when the Japanese gave you a nasty suprise.

While we were under siege, taking a battering on Polands behalf.

Again, your military force had nothing to do with your second amendment as we in the UK, Canada, Australia and many other Countries have no such "second amendment" and guess what?, we still had Armies, Navies and Air Forces!!!!!

Also if we should be thanking anybody for smashing into the Germans, its actually the Russians who dished out the most damage to them.
We were still recovering from the crash and depression. And had not been reimbursed for the aid we gave to Britian and Europe during WW1. We also aided Russia greatly in WW2. When we wanted to be repaid they told us to shove it. England is the only nation that has repaid all of it's loans to us from WW2, and that just a few years ago.

http://www.historynet.com/russias-li...ook-review.htm

America saved the free world's bacon. Our constitution and bill of rights are also the underpinnings of our economy. So the second amendment has a giant role in our aiding you and others, as it is the lynchpin of American freedoms.

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Originally Posted by All Englands Skies View Post
Where were you in 1939?

Oh yeah, you only got involved when the Japanese gave you a nasty suprise.

While we were under siege, taking a battering on Polands behalf.

Again, your military force had nothing to do with your second amendment as we in the UK, Canada, Australia and many other Countries have no such "second amendment" and guess what?, we still had Armies, Navies and Air Forces!!!!!

Also if we should be thanking anybody for smashing into the Germans, its actually the Russians who dished out the most damage to them.
Lend-Lease.

Lend-Lease (Pub.L. 77-11, H.R. 1776, 55 Stat. 3034, enacted March 11, 1941)[1] was the program under which the United States of America supplied the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, China, Free France, and other Allied nations with materiel between 1941 and 1945. It was signed into law on March 11, 1941, a year and a half after the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939 but nine months before the U.S. entered the war in December 1941. Formally titled An Act to Further Promote the Defense of the United States, the Act effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality.
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Originally Posted by oldwiseguy View Post
We were still recovering from the crash and depression. And had not been reimbursed for the aid we gave to Britian and Europe during WW1. We also aided Russia greatly in WW2. When we wanted to be repaid they told us to shove it. England is the only nation that has repaid all of it's loans to us from WW2, and that just a few years ago.

Russia's Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the U.S.S.R. in World War II (Book Review)

America saved the free world's bacon. Our constitution and bill of rights are also the underpinnings of our economy. So the second amendment has a giant role in our aiding you and others, as it is the lynchpin of American freedoms.
You saved nothing, you watch too many films, another American who thinks they did it all on there own.

You only got involved in proper action because of pearl harbour, not of your own accord.

Russia still did more fighting than you.

You always play this card when you make a crack about WWII and you get told you only joined when forced, then regular as clockwork you shift to the "we supplied you with weapons" arguement.

Land lease boosted your economy aswell, that was a large part of it.
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Originally Posted by All Englands Skies View Post
You saved nothing, you watch too many films, another American who thinks they did it all on there own.

You only got involved in proper action because of pearl harbour, not of your own accord.

Russia still did more fighting than you.

You always play this card when you make a crack about WWII and you get told you only joined when forced, then regular as clockwork you shift to the "we supplied you with weapons" arguement.

Land lease boosted your economy aswell, that was a large part of it.
Our entrance into the war, materially and militarily, is what tipped the balance. Nothing else matters here. It also matters little that we were reluctant to do so. We were still smarting from our involvement in the first war.
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Originally Posted by oldwiseguy View Post
Our entrance into the war, materially and militarily, is what tipped the balance. Nothing else matters here. It also matters little that we were reluctant to do so. We were still smarting from our involvement in the first war.
It helped when you joined, nobodies denying that.

But your ego strocking "we saved your bacon" comment is purely summizing, people dont know how WWII would hve turned out if your didnt get involved, the German plans to invade Britain were useless and the commonwealth was getting its act together and the russians too after initial setbacks and re-organizing, so a stalemate or an eventual allied win would be on the cards without the US.

Once again, its an American who makes an off the cuff, ego strocking remark about WWII and you wonder why the people from Countries who got over run, starved and bombed by the germans get insulted while your civilian population didnt get any of it apart from a few torpedos in western harbours.

If you didnt have the UK or British North African territory as a staging post, all your might would have been for nothing anyway, as you wouldnt have even be able to logistical invade europe.
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Originally Posted by All Englands Skies View Post
Again, your military force had nothing to do with your second amendment as we in the UK, Canada, Australia and many other Countries have no such "second amendment" and guess what?, we still had Armies, Navies and Air Forces!!!!!
The right, and often duty, of individuals citizens of (western nations) to bear arms goes back centuries. Our 2nd Amendment rights stem from English Common Law. It is only recently that England, Australia and some other countries have restricted gun ownership.
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