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Old 4th January 2013, 11:37 AM
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6,000 year old earth theory conflicts with the speed of light.

We all know God created the heavens and the earth in 7 "days". That's what the Bible says. One can assume that means the universe.

My question is this: if one is to take the Bible literally about how it was created, that would put the earth at around 7,000 years old.

The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time. In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

Given the distance (on a cosmological scale) between stars, it would take MUCH longer than 7,000 years for the light of those stars to become visible to the human eye in our solar system. Hundreds of thousands of years it would take for light to travel at 186,282 miles per second at those distances.

So how is this? If the earth is only 7,000 years old, all those stars in the night sky would not yet be visible to us because their photons would not have reached us.

Whatever the case, our God is big.
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Old 4th January 2013, 12:59 PM
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I don't even know if that theory is true but maybe this will help you, when God created the world there was no "laws" that He could have broken because they didn't exist until He said "Let there be..."
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Legalistic or not, Christ said "If you love me, keep My commandments...He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the father's who send Me." John 14:15, 24

Why do we fight so hard to explain scriptures that are not there and yet ignore the ones that are?
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Old 4th January 2013, 01:17 PM
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This idea that it cant be 6 days because of the speed of light assumes 1 thing that is a very fundamentally flawed assumption... that God is bound by the laws of Physics... Which is not true. He is out side the laws of Physics. WE are not but he is.

God can make light appear from where ever he wants. When he wants...
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This idea that it cant be 6 days because of the speed of light assumes 1 thing that is a very fundamentally flawed assumption... that God is bound by the laws of Physics... Which is not true. He is out side the laws of Physics. WE are not but he is.

God can make light appear from where ever he wants. When he wants...
AND he can make things show up in our world AFTER creation. Because before the flood rainbows did not exists. Neither did Rain...
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It depends if you mean it’s a problem for creation or a problem for creationism. Creationists tend to read Genesis 1 as pure literal history. However this is not the way the Hebrew was written and there is strong grammatical evidence to suggest so.

In Genesis 1:2 the normal Hebrew sentence construct of conjunction, verb, subject and object differs. This is done for two main reasons: 1 poetic licence to introduce a new concept and 2 when written in the pluperfect tense. Josephs rendered the text of Genesis 1:1-2 as: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth; but, the latter not coming into view. . . .” In other words from the view point of the earth. This would make perfect theological sense, as God is describing the creation of the dwelling place for man and not giving an exhaustive literal history of the universe, as creationists tend to limit this text to.

Creationist’s theories center around 3 main ideas:

1: Creation of light in transit. Scientifically, totally speculative and should just really be called “the God did it” theory.

2: Speed of light changes over time. Needs no falsifying as the simple equation E=MC^2 invalidates it. If the speed of light (a universal constant that doesn’t change) did alter to accommodate 6000 years, then the Earth would now be burnt to a cinder.

3. The assumption that the universe is boundless in 4D hyperspace via Copernicus principle and red shift is incorrect, and the universe is actually bounded in 4D hyperspace is correct. This would result in a centre of mass in the early universe capable of producing a time dilation, as per Einstein’s theory of relativity. This is the most scientific hypothesis so far and the metric sort of works for 6000 years. The hypothesis is falsified simply because of the empirically observed speed of the far universe. Creationists get round this by proposing a special creation week, ending by God stretching out the heavens. As it stands it is basically an elaborate “God did it” theory with a mix of pseudoscience.

Why can’t we just take the word of God as it reads? The creation of the dwelling place for man.

God created plants before he created the sun and moon. Scripturally plants represent God’s provision for man and the sun and moon represent the ordering of man’s days. God made every provision before he ordered our days. Perfect theological sense. And as Genesis 1 says, God is the creator of the heavens and the Earth.

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The earth was here before we were here.
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The earth was here before we were here.
Yes I agree, no argument there.
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Yes I agree, no argument there.
According to science the first manlike ape was Australopithicus and the earth was not inhabitable in its beginning Plus we were not created on the first day lol.
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If the earth is only 7,000 years old, all those stars in the night sky would not yet be visible to us because their photons would not have reached us.
Genesis 1:
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

If the stars were created to shine light on the world, for signs and for seasons, it wouldn't make much sense to have to wait a few thousand years for the light to get here. As the stars appeared at God's spoken word, so did light. This is perfectly consistent with the laws of physics, which apply to the creation but not to the Creator. The same God that can freeze time for a day could easily create things as he desired.

Imagine that you're an author and in your story you choose to have a knight on a horse burst from a boulder at a full gallop to rescue the princess. Someone tells you that can't happen. You answer that's it's your story and you can do anything you want. God has the same mastery of the physical world, which He created. He knows all the characters and He knows how the story ends. Unlike the characters in a book, God gives us free will. However, there is nothing that exists which He didn't create and no force in the universe with dominion over His will.
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According to science the first manlike ape was Australopithicus and the earth was not inhabitable in its beginning Plus we were not created on the first day lol.
True, the dwelling place was created first then man was created.
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