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Unread 1st January 2013, 07:16 PM
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I'd like to think American's will never surrender their weapons no matter what.
I'm an optimist.

And for idolatry to stand as a charge against gun owners they'd have to worship their guns. While holding faith that is the best means of self defense is just common sense and natural inclination to self-preservation.
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Stalin killed more of his own people than the Tsars ever did...



The also did random murders of Helots as well, yes I'm very well aware of this, which is why I said that in some aspects Sparta did advocate freedom, but in other respects it did not.

You do realize however that you just demonstrated why our 2nd Amendment is a good thing.



Not entirely true, they were way ahead of their time when it came to women's rights...

stalin educated more russians than the tzars ever did..... which of course is just as irrelevant a comparison as yours considering the topic.

i dont think the 2nd amendment is a bad thing. it is however used as a reason to resist recognizing the issues caused by the 2nd amendment.

spartan woman did 'womans work' just the same as woman in most cultures, the only difference is what was considered 'womans work' by spartan culture.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they've already successfully taken guns away from Americans. During Hurricane Katrina, National Guard (plus military who weren't National Guard) went around door-to-door and took legally acquired guns away from gun owners who were in their own homes, defending their own property, and that's with the second amendment still being around. They were extremely successful. VERY few people will put up a fight when they have military types kicking in their doors. I have no illusions that the tough talkers are any different on that score. Sure, it will make it easier on our government to legislate guns away, but they really don't need to do it to take away your guns, Americans. They've proven they can once before- so doing it again won't be much of a concern for them.
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Originally Posted by nightflight View Post
The ultimate in irony (especially if you are over 35).


Americans never give up your guns - English pravda.ru
Not sure the serfs were too free or those peasants conscripted into the army for 25 years.
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
He's saying Lenin and Stalin were worse than the Tsars whom preceeded them, and actually he'd probably be right.

Also in some ways, the Spartans kinda did promote freedom in some ways, in other ways they did not.

Generally a Spartan had to survive to being the age of retirement for fighting before they got to enjoy said freedoms though.

Women enjoyed significantly more freedom in Sparta than in the other Greek City states for instance.
they probably were not as jealously possessive of their women, since to judge by the Sacred Band and more general Spartan military practice they cared more about their brothers in arms than their women. Spartan men could not live at home with their wives until the age of 30 - until then they lived in barracks

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