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Old 26th December 2012, 04:55 PM
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priest for life wins exemption from hhs

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i thought its a big deal so here you go

A pro-life Catholic group has won a legal battle in court to get an exemption from having to comply with a federal Health and Human Services contraception mandate.

The mandate compels some religious employers to pay for and refer employees for birth control, abortion-causing drugs and contraception in violation of employers’ religious beliefs.

Last week, attorneys Robert Muise and David Yerushalmi presented oral argument in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York in support of Priests for Life. The next day, the federal government entered into a stipulation that it would not enforce the HHS mandate against Priests for Life pending a revision in the rules that would protect religious liberty.

more here Victory: Priests for Life wins exemption from HHS mandate

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Old 26th December 2012, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
didnt see anyone post this
i thought its a big deal so here you go




more here Victory: Priests for Life wins exemption from HHS mandate

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It was a PR stunt or a waste of legal money by Priest for Life who were exempt to begin with.

Also, the HHS mandate is still be re-written, and other institutions such as Catholic Colleges and Hospitals, will also be exempt.


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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post

Also, the HHS mandate is still be re-written, and other institutions such as Catholic Colleges and Hospitals, will also be exempt.
i knew that all along but geez ppl sure got their knickers in a twist over this
saying its the end of freedom and saying the govt treats catholics like the nazis treated jews
you know ppl being all overly dramatic and blowing things out of proportion

its like no one believes that a govt can be reasonable any more
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Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
i knew that all along but geez ppl sure got their knickers in a twist over this
saying its the end of freedom and saying the govt treats catholics like the nazis treated jews
you know ppl being all overly dramatic and blowing things out of proportion

its like no one believes that a govt can be reasonable any more
Well, conservatives and those trying to create political bias against Obama.

However, the mandate was being worked on when it was first released and has been continued to be so.

My guess is that the HHS is fighting with the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations over it.

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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post
Also, the HHS mandate is still be re-written, and other institutions such as Catholic Colleges and Hospitals, will also be exempt.

You might want to check it out since according to the Bishops, not even Jesus and the apostles would qualify for that exemption. I think it's because Jesus' mission (and ours too) is to folks regardless of their religion. We don't just serve other Catholics. That's why Catholic colleges and Hospitals are not exempt. The Little Sisters of the Poor will be "run out" of business in the U.S. because they cannot afford the fines for not providing abortifacients and birth control in their health care insurance. Then there are a number of Christian colleges and business which are also effected.

Just like that one judge said, there is no 'wait and see and trust the government to make things right clause' in the Constitution. This devestation is coming at us like a locomotive speeding the track.
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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post
It was a PR stunt or a waste of legal money by Priest for Life who were exempt to begin with.

Also, the HHS mandate is still be re-written, and other institutions such as Catholic Colleges and Hospitals, will also be exempt.


Jim

will they be exempt?

The HHS mandate was going to cover Catholic Hospitals.
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and even if Priests for Life would be exempt anyways, it is still good that we get the precedent set in place
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You might want to check it out since according to the Bishops, not even Jesus and the apostles would qualify for that exemption. I think it's because Jesus' mission (and ours too) is to folks regardless of their religion. We don't just serve other Catholics. That's why Catholic colleges and Hospitals are not exempt. The Little Sisters of the Poor will be "run out" of business in the U.S. because they cannot afford the fines for not providing abortifacients and birth control in their health care insurance. Then there are a number of Christian colleges and business which are also effected.

Just like that one judge said, there is no 'wait and see and trust the government to make things right clause' in the Constitution. This devestation is coming at us like a locomotive speeding the track.
The Bishops were talking about the original language when the HHS mandate first came out. It was modified since and is still being modified and
the court just ruled on the Belmont College case.

From an earlier thread;


During oral arguments before the appeals court, attorneys for the Obama administration asserted the administration would rewrite the HHS mandate and would not enforce it against religious institutions such as the two colleges. The appeals court stated in its ruling that the government
represented to the court that it would never enforce [the HHS mandate] in its current form against the appellants or those similarly situated as regards contraceptive services. There will, the government said, be a different rule for entities like the appellants, and we take that as a binding commitment. The government further represented that it would publish a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for the new rule in the first quarter of 2013 and would issue a new Final Rule before August 2013.

We take the government at its word and will hold it to it … the petitioners’ lawsuits should be held in abeyance pending the new rule that the government has promised will be issued soon.

Upon consideration of the foregoing, it is ordered, that in reliance upon the Departments’ binding representations, this court will hold these cases in abeyance, subject to regular status reports to be filed by the government with this court every 60 days from the date of this order.
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I didnt think we could give quotes without links...
Except for ECF's?

Anyway since i dont know the date of the above - Nov 14, 12 is most recent news on hospitals.

Catholic bishops pledge defiance on HHS mandate « Hot Air
A top American bishop said Tuesday the Roman Catholic church will not comply with the Obama administration requirement that most employers provide health insurance covering birth control.
New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said church leaders are open to working toward a resolution with federal officials, but will meanwhile press ahead with challenges to the mandate in legislatures and in court.
“The only thing we’re certainly not prepared to do is give in. We’re not violating our consciences,” Dolan told reporters at a national bishops’ meeting. “I would say no door is closed except for the door to capitulation.”
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"White House Misrepresents Its Own Contraceptive Mandate" To justify its widely-criticized mandate for contraception and sterilization coverage in private health plans, the Obama administration posted a set of false and misleading claims on the White House blog (“Health Reform, Preventive Services, and Religious Institutions,” February 1). This USCCB fact sheet quotes and responds to each claim in turn.

Claim: “Churches are exempt from the new rules: Churches and other houses of worship will be exempt from the requirement to offer insurance that covers contraception.”
Response: This is not entirely true. To be eligible, even churches and houses of worship must show the government that they hire and serve primarily people of their own faith and have the inculcation of religious values as their purpose. Some churches may have service to the broader community as a major focus, for example, by providing direct service to the poor regardless of faith. Such churches would be denied an exemption precisely because their service to the common good is so great. More importantly, the vast array of other religious organizations – schools, hospitals, universities, charitable institutions – will clearly not be exempt.
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http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...HS-Mandate.pdf

Which came from this...
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Appeals court directs Obama administration to rewrite HHS mandate : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

Though there is no guarantee that revisions to the HHS mandate will be to the colleges’ satisfaction, Belmont Abbey College President William Thierfelder hailed the decision.
“Christmas came early this year,” he said. “The DC Circuit Federal Court of Appeals' ruling is a major victory for Belmont Abbey College in its challenge to the HHS mandate. The two concessions made by the government lawyers in court to never enforce the current mandate against Belmont Abbey College and to publish a proposed new rule by the end of the first quarter in 2013, are the answers to our prayers.”



Plainly - the above quote from Jim - shows only a college - and not even possibly satisfactory as of yet!



Overall - not so much.
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