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These verses all hinge on when will the abomination be set up? Daniel 9:26,27 tells us that a prince will come out of the Roman Empire and make a 7 year covenant. Then in the midst (not to be confused with the word middle) of this 7 years the sacrifice and oblation is caused to cease. Daniel 8:13-17 tells us that there will be 2300 days from the time the covenant is signed to the time the abomination is set up.
The covenant was confirmed on Jan 1st, 2007 and 2300 days ends on April 17th this year, 2013. The desolation will last until Jesus returns. The abomination should be an idol and all things concidered is likely a statue of Mary set up in the temple courtyard, where it ought not be. This will remain until the wicked one sits in the temple to show himself he is God. He will remove the idol.
It is likely the masons who will rebuild the temple after the Israelis are removed in fulfillment of Luke 21. It won't be built until after the abomination is set up.
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These verses all hinge on when will the abomination be set up? Daniel 9:26,27 tells us that a prince will come out of the Roman Empire and make a 7 year covenant.
With respect, Daniel 9 does not say a prince will come out of the Roman empire and make a 7 year covenant.

The only "prince" in Daniel 9 is Jesus. It was Jesus/God who sent the armies to desolate Israel because of their sins:

Matt 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city

There is no "7 year covenant" mentioned in Daniel 9. It specifically says:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

THE covenant that HE (Jesus) confirms with many of Israel during the final week of years is the New Covenant. Jesus confirmed the New Covenant with many of Israel during his 3 1/2 year ministry. He will confirm the New Covenant with many of Israel during the final 3 1/2 years.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.



Then in the midst (not to be confused with the word middle) of this 7 years the sacrifice and oblation is caused to cease.
The sacrifice and oblation ceased with the death of Jesus in the middle of the 70th week when Jesus was "cut off".

Hebrews 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
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Re Bethwhite:
Here is the prince of the roman Empire:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he (speaking of the prince who shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is not Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah that was cut off. The prince that shall come is of the people who detroyed the city and the sanctuary. This was not the Jews that destroyed the city and sanctuary, it was the Roman soldiers at the time of Titus in 70 AD. So the prince of the people has to be the prince of the Roman empire. Is this not true?
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Originally Posted by TKICBS View Post
Re Bethwhite:
Here is the prince of the roman Empire:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he (speaking of the prince who shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The angel already told us who the prince is: Messiah the Prince, who is Jesus. The angel was describing when Messiah the Prince was to come (after the 69th week, for the 70th week). "The Prince who is to come" is Messiah the Prince who is to come after the 69th week. It was God/Jesus who sent the armies (Matt 22:7) to desolate Israel until the consummation (the time of the end).

There is no place for an antichrist figure in Daniel 9. It is through Jesus, through THE New Covenant that Israel and Jerusalem "... finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come (JESUS - Matt 22:7) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he (JESUS) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (JESUS) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he (JESUS) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (Israel).




This is not Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah that was cut off. The prince that shall come is of the people who detroyed the city and the sanctuary. This was not the Jews that destroyed the city and sanctuary, it was the Roman soldiers at the time of Titus in 70 AD. So the prince of the people has to be the prince of the Roman empire. Is this not true?
God used the Roman armies to desolate Israel (Matt 22:7). He did it because of Israel's sins, as described throughout the prophets, and Israel's rejection of Jesus.

Isaiah 47:“Sit in silence, go into darkness,
Daughter of the Babylonians;
no more will you be called
queen of kingdoms.
6 I was angry with my people
and desecrated my inheritance;
I gave them into your hand,
and you showed them no mercy.
Even on the aged
you laid a very heavy yoke.


The Romans are "the daughter of the Babylonians" into whose hand God gave his people because of His anger against them.
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A week in this verse is 7 years. Each day is a year. Just as in Genesis when Laban made Jacob wait a week for Rachel and then it says he completed the 7 years. This can also be proved by doing the math for the time between the giving of this command to rebuild in Neamiah, until the time that Jesus was cut off.

In 1895, Sir Robert Anderson, a gifted biblical scholar and the head of Scotland Yard, wrote a fascinating review of Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks. In his masterful work, The Coming Prince, Anderson proved that the portion of Daniel's prophecy that begins with, "From the going forth of the commandment to restore and build tJerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shal be seven weeks [sevens], and threescore and two weeks [sevens]" was fulfilled to the exact day483 biblical years 9each year equalling 360 days) after it commenced.
We can therefore expect that the final week will also be 7 years safely.
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Originally Posted by TKICBS View Post
A week in this verse is 7 years. Each day is a year. Just as in Genesis when Laban made Jacob wait a week for Rachel and then it says he completed the 7 years. This can also be proved by doing the math for the time between the giving of this command to rebuild in Neamiah, until the time that Jesus was cut off.

In 1895, Sir Robert Anderson, a gifted biblical scholar and the head of Scotland Yard, wrote a fascinating review of Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks. In his masterful work, The Coming Prince, Anderson proved that the portion of Daniel's prophecy that begins with, "From the going forth of the commandment to restore and build tJerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shal be seven weeks [sevens], and threescore and two weeks [sevens]" was fulfilled to the exact day483 biblical years 9each year equalling 360 days) after it commenced.
We can therefore expect that the final week will also be 7 years safely.
Yes, the final week of years is indeed seven years.

3 1/2 of the final week of years when the New Covenant was confirmed by Jesus with many of Israel was completed before Jesus was "cut off", during his ministry.

The final 3 1/2 years when the New Covenant will again be confirmed by Jesus with many of Israel is described in Revelation where 144,000 of Israel are sealed in Rev 7, where the woman is protected and fed for 42 months in Rev12.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


There is a 2000 year gap in the 70th week to allow the gentiles to be grafted in.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


After the final 3 1/2 years of the 490 years, Jesus and the New Covenant that HE confirmed with many of Israel will do this:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Nothing in Daniel 9 has anything to do with the antichrist or the devil. It's all about Israel, Jerusalem, the Temple, the New Covenant and Jesus!
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To consider the former vision does not mean the prince is the little horn. The little horn is not called a prince. He is called a king just as all horns are kings. It is the covenant that is related to the former vision.

What you are saying does not make sense. Then Jesus will make a 7 year covenant and the jews will transgress that covenant in the midst of it and he, Jesus will take away the sacrifice and oblation and he Jesus, will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Can't you see that this makes no sense?

We already have a 7 year covenant confirmed by a prince of the former Roman Empire. This prohecy only makes sense if the prince is a modern day leader in the govenment that ruled Israel at the time of the destruction. This is Jovier Solana. Watch April 17th and you will see.
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To consider the former vision does not mean the prince is the little horn. The little horn is not called a prince. He is called a king just as all horns are kings. It is the covenant that is related to the former vision.

What you are saying does not make sense. Then Jesus will make a 7 year covenant and the jews will transgress that covenant in the midst of it and he, Jesus will take away the sacrifice and oblation and he Jesus, will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Can't you see that this makes no sense?

We already have a 7 year covenant confirmed by a prince of the former Roman Empire. This prohecy only makes sense if the prince is a modern day leader in the govenment that ruled Israel at the time of the destruction. This is Jovier Solana. Watch April 17th and you will see.

No, what you're missing is that you keep saying "7 year covenant".

It doesn't say "7 year covenant". That is rearranging the words, changing what it says, altering the meaning.



It says:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"

There is no "7 year covenant".

The New Covenant is confirmed with many of Israel by Jesus during the final week of years.

The New Covenant is not a "7 year covenant". Jesus takes the final week of years and confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel.

He did it during his 3 1/2 year ministry before he was cut off and he will do it during the final 42 months, as described in Revelation 12.

Jesus was cut off in the midst of the final week, ending sacrifices by his ultimate sacrifice, and allowing the gentiles to come in.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


There is a 2000 year gap in the 70th week to allow the gentiles to be grafted in.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
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