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He didn't address moral nihilism. His argument assumes objective morality. The nihilist doesn't believe in morality; they believe humans personally makeup their own and whatever the popular one is the "objective" one.

It's a great argument if the person isn't willing to give up objective morality, but you'd be surprised how quickly people, especially philosophers, will drop it in favor of their preferences. Also, I'd like to see a utilitarian response to the slavery position.

It's also interesting to see a new approach for the proof of God's existence, even if it doesn't hold much philosophical water.
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Converging and Convincing Proof of God: The Improbability of it All

This probability of the existence of a world capable of sustaining biological life is so improbable as to render the probability ...

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Converging and Convincing Proof of God: At the Limits of Science

Working backwards from the universe's current expansion, the classical Big Bang theory strongly suggests that there was an ...

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Originally Posted by Chany View Post
He didn't address moral nihilism. His argument assumes objective morality. The nihilist doesn't believe in morality; they believe humans personally makeup their own and whatever the popular one is the "objective" one.

It's a great argument if the person isn't willing to give up objective morality, but you'd be surprised how quickly people, especially philosophers, will drop it in favor of their preferences. Also, I'd like to see a utilitarian response to the slavery position.

It's also interesting to see a new approach for the proof of God's existence, even if it doesn't hold much philosophical water.

I find people will argue that there is no objective morality, but in general they don't walk the walk so to speak.

That is probably less true of philosophers, but in general most people have things they consider to be basically morally reprehensible. They thing moral relativism sounds nice but they haven't really thought out the implications.
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What constitutes "walking the walk" when it comes to not believing in objective morality?
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Originally Posted by Genersis View Post
What constitutes "walking the walk" when it comes to not believing in objective morality?
Subjective morality means you can never criticize any group or person for what they do and view as right. According to subjective morality, everyone is on equal moral and ethical footing; there is no way to ever delcare something wrong as you have no authority to or any claim to back it up other than personal preference.
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Originally Posted by Chany View Post
Subjective morality means you can never criticize any group or person for what they do and view as right. According to subjective morality, everyone is on equal moral and ethical footing; there is no way to ever delcare something wrong as you have no authority to or any claim to back it up other than personal preference.
Lacking a belief in objective morality really doesn't mean much beyond believing there is no source of inerrant morals.

It doesn't mean you can't criticise others for what you personally think/feel is immoral, nor try and convince them why you think that way.

I think a bit of nihilism is being mixed in here...
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Originally Posted by Genersis View Post

Lacking a belief in objective morality really doesn't mean much beyond believing there is no source of inerrant morals.

It doesn't mean you can't criticise others for what you personally think/feel is immoral, nor try and convince them why you think that way.

I think a bit of nihilism is being mixed in here...
On what grounds can a person criticize another's morals besides through personal feelings?
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Originally Posted by Chany View Post
On what grounds can a person criticize another's morals besides through personal feelings?
Morals aren't just based on feelings.
They can be based on things like capacity of an action to harm, fairness, equality, and empathy generally.
I understand most of those things are subjective to a degree.
You can criticise someone's morals for not considering such factors.
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