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Unread 13th December 2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post

What would you consider to be unbiased? ABC News for instance isn't exactly a conservative source. Additionally the insurance plan in Oregon is state ran.
Unbiased as in actually read the Obamacare bill instead of any news souce that describes it. ANY news source, conservative or liberal.
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
On generics, I'm on a prescription medication that the generic tears up my guts... Obamacare would try to push me on said generic.
Wow. That's terrible and I'm sorry to hear that. You know where that wouldn't happen? Up here in Commieland Canada with our socialized medicare. See, your doctor would advocate for your and that would be the end of that discussion.
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Originally Posted by rambot View Post
Wow. That's terrible and I'm sorry to hear that. You know where that wouldn't happen? Up here in Commieland Canada with our socialized medicare. See, your doctor would advocate for your and that would be the end of that discussion.
I'd be interested to know the exact drug he's talking about. Its very unusual that generic brand medications have side effects different to those of the trade name brands. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but its usually so rare as to be avoidable. Garfield, if you want me to look up a generic brand that doesn't have what ever is causing you distress in it, I'd be more than happy too. PM me.
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Originally Posted by motherprayer View Post
Unbiased as in actually read the Obamacare bill instead of any news souce that describes it. ANY news source, conservative or liberal.

Have I read the final version of it all the way through, no. I have actually seen a version of the bill, courtesy of a Town Hall, the congressman hosting the event actually brought a copy of the bill. To give you a rough idea how thick it was, I have an unabridged dictionary that is less thick than that thing.

It actually wouldn't surprise me if most of the people whom voted for it, hadn't read the bill.

I have read parts of it, enough to know that what happened in Oregon could happen on the Federal level, because Obamacare does include the same kind of panel.
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
I have read parts of it, enough to know that what happened in Oregon could happen on the Federal level, because Obamacare does include the same kind of panel.
False. I checked at factchecker.org there is no such thing as a death panel. There is end of life counseling that all insurance companies and Medicare will pay for but it is misleading to say Obamacare will be promoting activities like that situation.
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Originally Posted by rturner76 View Post
False. I checked at factchecker.org there is no such thing as a death panel. There is end of life counseling that all insurance companies and Medicare will pay for but it is misleading to say Obamacare will be promoting activities like that situation.
Fact Check actually does need to be taken with a grain of salt:

While touting itself as a 'nonpartisan' source for information verification, Factcheck.org is actually anything but factual. The organization is a front-group for Leftwing causes and has ties to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his political protege Barack Obama.
(AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais).
In 2008 prior to the Presidential election, writer Stanley Kurtz uncovered troubling information concerning Factcheck, Bill Ayers, and Barack Obama:
Factcheck.org--anything but factual - National Conservative | Examiner.com

If you look at Fact Check's own website, you'll see confirmation of this in their subtitle.
FactCheck.org | A Project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center

Now sources that counter Factcheck:

Brain Surgeon Confirms ObamaCare Rations Care, Has Death Panels!

Also a leftwing source admits Death Panels are in Obamacare, while still trying to claim that death panels aren't in Obamacare.
The Reality of Death Panels - The Daily Beast
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If you don't think Medicare rations care already, you should.

Money to care for the sick and needy isn't infinite. The ACA seeks to streamline care by cutting waste and implementing tougher rules against fraud and abuse. Which frees up more money for healthcare.
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right, so quote us where the Bill itself mentions death panels?
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I have always wondered about that part and how that rumor got started.
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