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Originally Posted by Loudmouth View Post
Do you have evidence for this?
The Bible and a map.
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Originally Posted by CabVet View Post
Not unlike what every other creationist here does, really. I have yet to see two creationists agree in the same "version" of creation. Yet, every single one of them claims their version is "the truth".
That's not even close to what he does; and I'll say this again:

If it bothers you, you can go to church and observe otherwise.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
This is twice you've accused me of saying this, VS.

The first time you said it, I requested a link; and I don't recall you responding.

Now you've said it again, and I'm not going to request a link, but I am going to request you cease and desist.

The next time you say it, I'll turn it over to administration.

Am I clear on this?
But for the record, you do think they spoke English and wrote the original Bible in English (which is not KJV1611), and then it was translated to Hebrew, correct?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
That's not even close to what he does; and I'll say this again:

If it bothers you, you can go to church and observe otherwise.
I do go to church, have been to many, and I will say this again, every pastor has his own version of creation, and they all present it as "the truth". And more often than not, the members of the church have slightly different versions, all (according to them) are "the truth".
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Originally Posted by CabVet View Post
But for the record, you do think they spoke English and wrote the original Bible in English (which is not KJV1611), and then it was translated to Hebrew, correct?
Incorrect.

My belief ... (at the risk of correcting you, which I've supposedly never done before) ... is that the original autographs from Genesis 1 to the Tower of Babel were written in English.

In other words, Adam wrote Genesis 1 & 2 in English; Seth wrote Genesis 3 & 4 in English; Noah wrote Genesis 5-9 in English; Shem wrote Genesis 10 in English; then Abraham wrote Genesis 11-25 in Hebrew.

Moses then edited the entire book of Genesis (into Hebrew), and that's why Genesis is titled, The First Book of Moses.

(Something like that.)
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Originally Posted by CabVet View Post
I do go to church, have been to many, and I will say this again, every pastor has his own version of creation, and they all present it as "the truth". And more often than not, the members of the church have slightly different versions, all (according to them) are "the truth".
And you let that concern you, as if it's a stone in your shoe?
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Incorrect.

My believe ... (at the risk of correcting you, which I've supposedly never done before) ... is that the original autographs from Genesis 1 to the Tower of Babel were written in English.

In other words, Adam wrote Genesis 1 & 2 in English; Seth wrote Genesis 3 & 4 in English; Noah wrote Genesis 5-9 in English; Shem wrote Genesis 10 in English; then Abraham wrote Genesis 11-25 in Hebrew.

(Something like that.)
I rest my case.

Plus, AV thinks that there is no archival record when he goes back and edits his posts to remove the worst of his nonsense. But it is hardly necessary for him to make the effort. What he has freely admitted above is quite sufficient.

So my point is made and my work is done here.

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Moses then edited the entire book of Genesis (into Hebrew), and that's why Genesis is titled, The First Book of Moses.
The book is titled, BARASHIT, the first word of the book.
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Why does the "15 Questions for Evolutionists" brochure from Creation.com confuse the meaning of "evolution"? Why would a Young Earth Creationist ministry wish to expose their "science knowledge" in this way?

Most of the questions deal with topics which have nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. Why? Is it scientific ignorance? Or dishonesty? Very shrewd propaganda technique?

15 questions for evolutionists
I really think the problem boils down to this:

"Evolutionists ALWAYS piggyback on the idea along the implicative lines that abiogenesis (what other option is there for those who do not subscribe to the idea of intelligence creating intelligence?) got the proverbial organic ball rolling. Therefore, the two have become paired whether evolutionists want to deal with that or not. The fact that evolutionists disavow any need to solve the problem of where life originated does not mean they do not have that problem.

Can any evolutionist tell me WHY answering the question of where we came from isn't of the utmost importance if one insists upon claiming that all the diversity of life came from that one mysterious ancestor?

Can any evolutionist tell me HOW that doesn't make a difference for the ToE of whether that question ever gets answered?
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I really think the problem boils down to this:

"Evolutionists ALWAYS piggyback on the idea along the implicative lines that abiogenesis (what other option is there for those who do not subscribe to the idea of intelligence creating intelligence?) got the proverbial organic ball rolling. Therefore, the two have become paired whether evolutionists want to deal with that or not. The fact that evolutionists disavow any need to solve the problem of where life originated does not mean they do not have that problem.

Can any evolutionist tell me WHY answering the question of where we came from isn't of the utmost importance if one insists upon claiming that all the diversity of life came from that one mysterious ancestor?

Can any evolutionist tell me HOW that doesn't make a difference for the ToE of whether that question ever gets answered?
Yes. Because evolution is only the science of how life diversifies after it already existed. It doesn't matter to evolution how it started, just that it DID. Yes, God could have started it. Some believe that he did start it, then used evolution to diversify it.

The fact that we don't know how life started has no bearing on whether evolution is true or not.

Creationists insist on latching abiogenesis onto evolution so that they have something they can point to which science can't explain, yet.
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