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Originally Posted by an oddity View Post
Is it possible that some men are active in both hetero/homo sex, thereby spreading HIV?
Well one theory re Africa is that AIDS spread up from the coast via truck drivers and soldiers who had had sex with prostitutes - how the latter got it I don't know. I don't think in general that homosexuality is big at all in sub-Saharan Africa anyway - both in terms of the long influence of the Church but also in terms of African traditional cultures either - but of course its a very masculine culture in the main so having lots of kids etc is a sign of power etc
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Old 29th November 2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabeadesigirl View Post
I read a news report which came out after the BBC reported that the death penalty had been dropped which said that it was erroneous. The Bill is still in a subcommittee which cannot change the Bill, according to that report. The Ugandan Supreme Court did strike down the parts of the 1st Bill including the death penalty, stating that it violated their Constitution against discrimination.

The Ugandan legislators are probably trying to find a way to state the new Bill which allows it to pass the constitutionality test.
Status of Uganda Anti-Gay Bill Unclear; U.S. Religious Right Support Isn’t | Sexuality/Gender | Religion Dispatches
But on Tuesday, according to the Washington Blade, the Obama administration disputed reports that the committee in question had either dropped the death penalty provisions or moved the bill forward. On Wednesday, Ugandan activists and spokespersons for All Out, an international equality organization, said that while some members of parliament have claimed that the death penalty provision has been removed, the only version of the bill available to the public still contains that language. They say the bill could come up for a vote as early as next week.

Another source claims the Bill also allows people who claim to have been abused to retaliate in whatever means they feel is necessary, including killing another person.
Uganda will pass anti-homosexuality bill this year, says Speaker | World news | guardian.co.uk




The phrase "related practices" could mean anything and leaves the door open to subjective interpretations. This is later spelled out in more detail to the extent that "touching – with the intent to commit a homosexual act" is a crime. Any form of advocacy and failure to report an offense will be subject to a fine and up to three years in prison. This will include medical staff, counselors, priests and pastors, employers and family members. One of the worst aspects of the bill is in clause five, which effectively allows "victims" to kill anyone they claim has committed a homosexual offense against them.
[1] A victim of homosexuality shall not be penalized for any crime committed as a direct result of his or her involvement in homosexuality.
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Originally Posted by an oddity View Post
Is it possible that some men are active in both hetero/homo sex, thereby spreading HIV?
That is quite possible but heterosexual men and women have been spreading HIV in Africa far faster than homosexuals.
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Originally Posted by revanneosl View Post
It's hard to figure out whether it is cool or horrifying that you & I can both belong to the same denomination.
I am proud of the diversity in our denomination
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What's the rate of unsanitary intravenous injection in Africa? HIV is also spread through contact with dirty needles.
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Everything about this story and this law is tragic. But what's more tragic is "christians" supporting the murder of sinners, in the name of Jesus Christ. I don't know what bible is floating around some of the evangelical communities, but we need to gather these false prophet books up and burn them because they are obviously NOT, bibles that include the teachings of Christ. Slandering Christ's name with talk of murder and bigotry, is unspeakable. If you support this law, leave Christ out of it. Nothing in His teachings supports such blaspheme.
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Everything about this story and this law is tragic. But what's more tragic is "christians" supporting the murder of sinners, in the name of Jesus Christ. I don't know what bible is floating around some of the evangelical communities, but we need to gather these false prophet books up and burn them because they are obviously NOT, bibles that include the teachings of Christ. Slandering Christ's name with talk of murder and bigotry, is unspeakable. If you support this law, leave Christ out of it. Nothing in His teachings supports such blaspheme.
I don't know a whole lot about Ugandas religious demographic, but I'd say this bill is most likely the brainchild of a Muslim coalition.

Like I said, I dont know all that much about it, but Christians advocating killing are few. Heck, most Christians in America are against the death penalty for murderers I think.

Anyhow, this bill is not likely to take hold for long. At least not with the death penalty on the table.
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Originally Posted by Almighty's humble servant View Post
I don't know a whole lot about Ugandas religious demographic, but I'd say this bill is most likely the brainchild of a Muslim coalition.

Like I said, I dont know all that much about it, but Christians advocating killing are few. Heck, most Christians in America are against the death penalty for murderers I think.

Anyhow, this bill is not likely to take hold for long. At least not with the death
penalty on the table.
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I know he's not the norm, but where there's one there's probably more and even one christian saying things like this is enough to do more than enough damage. Now if you get a country that is heavily Christianized, wants to do the right thing (according to the OP the president of Uganda wants to repent for the country's sins), and homophobic...well I'm not really surprised this law came through.

It's what happens when gross misinformation and religious zeal mix together. I think things like this is one of the reasons Jesus told his followers to be a meek as doves, but as shrewd as serpents. If we are humble and smart these things shouldn't happen.
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Originally Posted by Almighty's humble servant View Post
I don't know a whole lot about Ugandas religious demographic, but I'd say this bill is most likely the brainchild of a Muslim coalition.
I doubt that since Islam does not have much influence in Uganda. Christians make up around 75% or more of the population while Muslims make up about 15% or less.

I have read where fundamental Christians are behind the anti-gay movement but not sure if they are pushing the death penalty issue.
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Fundamentalism is murderous, whether it's Christian fundamentalism or Islamic fundamentalism or any other flavor of fundamentalism.
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